From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13841: 24.3.50; Regression - unreadable `C-h k' help Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 10:14:22 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Message-ID: <057bdf6b-fa05-4dba-a129-841c96cddbdf@default> References: <<<98E304F5436E487A91B33E89A04A5851@us.oracle.com> <87sirr1l0d.fsf@building.gnus.org>>> <<<87h9el2wcj.fsf@gnus.org> >> <<<87inyze2tq.fsf@web.de>>> <<<4e02c2a0-6e68-4091-a64d-131bcfc2fc49@default>>> <<<83wpnfnlf1.fsf@gnu.org>>> <> <<83inyzngx7.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462040148 31969 80.91.229.3 (30 Apr 2016 18:15:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, 13841@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 30 20:15:31 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1awZQQ-0005JA-8v for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 20:15:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59208 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awZQM-000411-7n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:15:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39127) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awZQD-0003nk-Eq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:15:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awZQ1-0008Rh-Ri for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:15:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:45957) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awZQ1-0008P9-Ob for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:15:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awZPy-0006FA-E7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:15:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13841 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13841-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13841.146204007423953 (code B ref 13841); Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:15:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13841) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 18:14:34 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58294 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awZPV-0006EH-Mr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:14:33 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:37762) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awZPU-0006E2-8u for 13841@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:14:32 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3UIEPYZ004292 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:14:26 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3UIEP3X026459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:14:25 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3UIEOVF018952; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:14:24 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83inyzngx7.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117407 Archived-At: I agree that user help should show documentation, not just Lisp code. But certainly - far more important - not byte code. The fix for this bug (and any that are similar) is to use a named function with a doc string. I think (hope) we agree about that. (We can disagree that if a user can read Lisp source code then s?he should be able to also read byte code, or she is just as likely to be able to do that.)