From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: set font size with ctrl-mouse wheel? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113415 Archived-At: > >> > It'd be great if emacs could do this. > >> > >> I believe this is not the case. Using mouse wheel to change > >> font size is almost useless, especially for emacs. > > > > Why is it "almost useless"? I use it all the time. Very handy. > > > > Yes, C-wheel might not be "standard", but it is pretty > > common - for MS Windows users, at least (and that's a lot > > of users). It works in many apps on Windows, from browsers > > to mail clients to, yes, editors. > > C-=, C-+ and C-0 are more standard way of changing font size and Emacs > has provided similar key bindings for them. In my view, this is > sufficient. OK, I see. By "almost useless" you meant only that you already have a different way to do it, and one way is sufficient. A keyboard is sufficient perhaps - why have a mouse? > > It's simple to use, and it doesn't really conflict with any existing > > Emacs key bindings, AFAIK. Yes, mwheel-scroll uses C-wheel, but it > > also uses just plain wheel - no real need for it to also claim > > C-wheel, AFAICT. > > > You might not care to use C-wheel to zoom, in Emacs or > > elsewhere, but what reason do you have to say that it > > "is almost useless, especially for emacs"? > > Like I said, Emacs already has something for it. There is > little use to put in some extra non-standard, uncommon and > clumsy feature. 1. Just because Emacs has one way to do something is not a reason it shouldn't also have other ways to do it. If you applied that logic, you could remove everything except `M-:' or `C-x C-e'. 2. It's not clear at all that `C-=' etc. are more standard than C-wheel. But even if they were, see point #1. 3. There is nothing uncommon or clumsy about C-wheel. (a) It is very common. (b) You haven't shown that it is "clumsy". Of course, if you take as a given that all use of a mouse is "clumsy", then sure (you've convinced yourself). By that argument, Emacs should remove all mouse and menu and tool-bar support - too clumsy. But many (most?) users of computers these days do use a mouse at least some of the time - that's hardly "uncommon". At least it's clear now what your arguments are and what you meant by "almost useless".