From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Doc of keyboard macros Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 13:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <04ecc22a-93b2-49da-8ac7-c553c61b8409@default> References: <835zyuc457.fsf@gnu.org> <834leec2s2.fsf@gnu.org> <83va6uakoi.fsf@gnu.org> <8736ty4s4o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1537820141 25238 195.159.176.226 (24 Sep 2018 20:15:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 20:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 24 22:15:37 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g4XGb-0006Tg-6D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 22:15:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46884 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g4XIh-0000qO-Hu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:17:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59564) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g4XIP-0000Vb-9x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:17:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g4X86-0003xj-Bm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:06:51 -0400 Original-Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:37432) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g4X81-0003mn-T2; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:06:46 -0400 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w8OK3Ztr184681; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 20:06:44 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=k/Khn6yfh1tfJTsEl22Nt5xcJuIY1kY3eLbvI9dHs0E=; b=0r74lDsXvEKttkMAx9tEy5v5pAs8Ptk/MceFm57xeGJGdVjH4CaRVrhPJfTpV2YajO8u D2avJbAY4iICsNhOQ//2SaQ6JwjBhKnfg8aS/YO/lc1RiA96R/HIdipxQVUpOT2uutd3 T9rzXVGRJ4qN83kszJO4jZYhRO2kg8F5zhRFJPswlSG2HFJdPVWENAvO60iZmn7RYW5I g2llBXqlR1SfdagtBbjvCpIzX7mKk5XDL3SvnQcatlpD7cJbvVy+j1wKgAXLWIDpdPjG CqAkePYH7NGqPVBSKz+D3zmJ6ilRTpcPrC7QrtoxutebfRAcDtY2LbRagbjV+3iSb5n/ iQ== Original-Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2mnvtuesgf-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2018 20:06:44 +0000 Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w8OK6h7H030791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2018 20:06:43 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w8OK6fbR009558; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 20:06:42 GMT In-Reply-To: <8736ty4s4o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4735.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9026 signatures=668707 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=884 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1809240192 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.85 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:230042 Archived-At: > > And I think we should have F3 first, because "C-x (" is deprecated, > > and we are now reinstating it for the benefit of some systems that are > > either rare or ones that we aren't supposed to care about too much. >=20 > There is a current tendency towards deprecating F1-F10 function keys > by hardware manufacturers. These keys are already hard to press by defau= lt > on PC: a special additional key needs to be pressed in combination o= f > -, and a Chromebook has no row of function keys at all: in order > to get , you have to press -4. In addition to what Juri says: It makes sense for Emacs and users to bind function keys (when available, obviously) to repeatable commands, so you can just hold down the key to repeat the action. It's a waste to use `F3' for `kmacro-start-macro-or-insert-counter'. So +1 for favoring `C-x (' etc. over `F3' etc.