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[73.126.99.55]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a197sm3623204qkc.32.2018.02.03.17.27.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 03 Feb 2018 17:27:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87r2q1r1tn.fsf@web.de> Content-Language: en-GB X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:222478 Archived-At: On 2018-02-03 20:16, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Helpfulness of error messages surely depends on the beholder, and on > expectations. In my eyes, > >> Symbol's value as variable is void: 'аbbrevs-changed > is quite clear: you think this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is a quoted > thing, but the error message calls it a symbol. So there must be a > problem with that quote, it has obviously gotten read as part of the > symbol. Sure, you have still to find out why. I think you're making Eli's point, actually :) The problem isn't the quote: it's the CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER A instead of LATIN SMALL LETTER A. IOW, (string= "аbbrevs-changed" "abbrevs-changed") is nil. I think Eli was illustrating the confusion that can stem from Unicode confusables (and I must agree that the error message could be much better ^^) Clément.