From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
Theodor Thornhill <theothornhill@pm.me>,
ndame@protonmail.com
Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:16:36 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <04066ce7-57f4-328d-e0a7-32fe48aa6ff1@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvlfmnwjx5.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
On 22.04.2020 19:45, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> 1: VsCode offers on the home screen an option to click on what languages
>>> you want to install support for. This offers a nice one-click shop for
>>> language packs. This, I guess is the same behaviour that Doom/Spacemacs
>>> offers with their layers etc. In Emacs we often have to install
>>> lsp-client, lsp-server, language mode, company, adjust company backends.
>>> It would be nice to have emacs install all of the above automatically
>>> when clicking on Python, JS and such.
>> Agreed. Stefan has a proof-of-concept package named `gnu-elpa' that
>> does exactly this, and it would indeed be nice if Emacs had that.
> Hmm... no I don't have something that does exactly that.
> It goes a bit in that direction, and I hope it can grow further, but
> currently it doesn't do much more than prompt you to install GNU ELPA
> packages which you attempt to use their features, so it doesn't prompt
> users to install lsp servers or to enable company, ...
I'm not sure it would be right to enable an opinionated behavior like
that for all users anyway. After all, LSP servers are not the only
company backends that people use, and there are other completion UIs
than company.
On the other hand, it would be great to have a short official guide that
outlines the easiest way to get the "smarts" that people expect from
code editors. One that's preferably closer to the Tutorial in
accessibility, rather than the manual.
Posting it on the official website would help as well. This way we would
make a pledge, of sorts, that *this* approach is supposed to work for
everybody.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-04-22 17:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-04-20 6:22 Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers ndame
2020-04-20 10:08 ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 1:50 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-21 2:09 ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 8:44 ` Theodor Thornhill
2020-04-22 4:30 ` Po Lu
2020-04-22 7:01 ` Theodor Thornhill
2020-04-23 3:10 ` Po Lu
2020-04-22 16:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-22 17:16 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2020-04-23 3:11 ` Po Lu
2020-04-23 12:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-24 5:24 ` Po Lu
2020-04-26 18:40 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-27 4:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-24 2:34 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-24 2:39 ` 조성빈
2020-04-24 2:42 ` 조성빈
2020-04-24 7:33 ` Theodor Thornhill
2020-04-25 3:30 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-25 3:32 ` 조성빈
2020-04-26 3:19 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-26 14:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26 15:14 ` tomas
2020-04-26 16:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26 16:36 ` tomas
2020-04-21 2:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-21 3:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-21 4:44 ` chad
2020-04-22 3:19 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22 3:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-04-27 17:50 ndame
2020-04-27 18:07 ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-28 0:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 2:26 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-30 5:58 ` ndame
2020-05-02 2:21 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 15:52 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 15:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 17:00 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 18:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 18:55 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-04 3:05 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-05 14:08 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-06 4:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-06 18:14 ` Nikita Mogilevsky
2020-05-07 2:48 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 16:25 ` ndame
2020-05-02 19:04 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 19:36 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 20:05 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 21:16 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 22:16 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03 3:42 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-05 13:58 ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-21 15:27 ndame
2020-04-22 3:14 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-16 14:58 "Why is emacs so square?" Drew Adams
2020-04-16 15:34 ` Joseph Garvin
2020-04-17 22:05 ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-19 2:18 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-19 2:33 ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 4:55 ` ndame
2020-04-19 6:14 ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers (was: "Why is emacs so square?") Po Lu
2020-04-19 6:54 ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-04-19 7:22 ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Po Lu
2020-04-19 8:05 ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers (was: "Why is emacs so square?") 조성빈
2020-04-19 8:12 ` ndame
2020-04-19 8:21 ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Po Lu
2020-04-19 8:25 ` ndame
2020-04-19 9:30 ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 22:44 ` Sébastien Gendre
2020-04-20 0:36 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-20 3:32 ` Tim Cross
2020-04-20 9:54 ` Po Lu
2020-04-20 13:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-21 8:52 ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 13:57 ` Simen Heggestøyl
2020-04-21 15:36 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-22 3:14 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22 4:33 ` Po Lu
2020-04-23 6:33 ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-23 10:14 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-23 14:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-20 4:53 ` Po Lu
2020-04-20 6:08 ` 조성빈
2020-04-20 9:53 ` Po Lu
2020-04-20 13:07 ` 조성빈
2020-04-20 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21 2:06 ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 2:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-21 4:42 ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 13:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 4:41 ` Po Lu
2020-04-22 8:13 ` Sergey Organov
2020-04-22 3:19 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22 11:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23 7:04 ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-23 14:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23 14:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-23 15:32 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-27 16:09 ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-27 16:43 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-20 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21 12:43 ` Sébastien Gendre
2020-04-21 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 1:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 3:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-22 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 17:46 ` chad
2020-04-22 22:52 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-23 0:12 ` chad
2020-04-23 0:49 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-22 17:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-19 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-19 19:14 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-19 22:50 ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 8:16 ` Po Lu
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