From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24353: 25.1.1: looking-back wrong info Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 17:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <03e0c119-c9db-4d4a-890b-8b94f8cd4932@default> References: <83lgzael08.fsf@gnu.org> <83k2euehyc.fsf@gnu.org> <1a485a01-87cd-db03-4a0b-2e9033754c46@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1472861478 17365 195.159.176.226 (3 Sep 2016 00:11:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 00:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 24353@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov , Eli Zaretskii , Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 03 02:11:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bfyYD-00041Y-MB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2016 02:11:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44447 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bfyYB-0001VL-EZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 20:11:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51693) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bfyY4-0001Uo-OF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 20:11:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bfyY2-00012x-Su for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 20:11:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:50383) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bfyY2-00012t-PI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 20:11:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bfyY2-0005WB-AZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 20:11:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2016 00:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24353 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix notabug Original-Received: via spool by 24353-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24353.147286145621198 (code B ref 24353); Sat, 03 Sep 2016 00:11:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24353) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2016 00:10:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48095 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bfyXv-0005Vp-Vl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 20:10:56 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:35424) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bfyXu-0005Va-4Y for 24353@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 20:10:54 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u830Al2Z001048 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Sep 2016 00:10:48 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u830Akth030020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Sep 2016 00:10:46 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u830AjG8026949; Sat, 3 Sep 2016 00:10:45 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:122871 Archived-At: > >>> How does this change help Emacs users? > >> > >> It forces Emacs Lisp programmers to include the last argument, > > > > It certainly does not. It does NOT force anything. > > It only misleads. It doesn't even explicitly recommend. >=20 > Well, at least the byte compiler sees the advertised calling convention, > and warns when it's violated. So the encouragement is there. That's true, and a good point. It's misleading to show the signature wrong. It's especially unhelpful to do ONLY that. Encouragement, recommendation, admonition, and even warning, can help. The more explicit, the better. The more it helps users _understand_ (e.g., say WHY), the better.