From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: lamers on IRC Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 19:33:55 -0700 Message-ID: <0340a07a064a4f2ac49c60ee7753850d@basiscraft.com> References: <87wnedb6xe.fsf@dataswamp.org> <9109efc3-0d1d-4d21-8160-24da6f7cd256@www.fastmail.com> <87bkvj9fr7.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87ee0eselt.fsf@dataswamp.org> <5b08e28cbbd8e3c63febe68ead319316@basiscraft.com> <87k0a68eyl.fsf@dataswamp.org> <875ylq8dev.fsf@dataswamp.org> <2a7698a89c8e34126dbc7e357feea8e0@basiscraft.com> <874k19pue3.fsf@dataswamp.org> <877d65oaxj.fsf@dataswamp.org> <38b62931b8e3ef2c4ee2dd71e111d857@basiscraft.com> <87h757q4ls.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87czfvq3wi.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87zgizoj02.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16010"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.17 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 30 04:35:10 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nvVFM-0003xa-9Z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 May 2022 04:35:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34160 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nvVFJ-0008AM-NG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 29 May 2022 22:35:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60388) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nvVEH-00089c-BZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2022 22:34:02 -0400 Original-Received: from d.mail.sonic.net ([64.142.111.50]:33500) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nvVEE-0006Fj-Hx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2022 22:34:01 -0400 Original-Received: from webmail.sonic.net (webmail.b.apps.sonic.net [64.142.122.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPA id 24U2Xtqu007906; Sun, 29 May 2022 19:33:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87zgizoj02.fsf@dataswamp.org> X-Sonic-Auth: DT7kCA3g8DRVqHRPSNJL9Gs+XWkQbk7DGJ3vRLFLIWtlX4zo0trDCQ7w+qOQ7zQ7sDdnYu65AIyThPPzyC1HpARymgyMjA+CfW5jc58AOqo= X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVZSIzreDhl0lF1UfxYI7pWQgXx/6MMqj6YSs2OvpXxXMNCR/8hI1xIQpjNr0o96ml05wmPL+Fc0HFwMHeHxTR9bt7iX7axsaHg= X-Sonic-ID: C;FCyc88Df7BGhU6G3XTPn8g== M;rm6h88Df7BGhU6G3XTPn8g== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: -0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Received-SPF: none client-ip=64.142.111.50; envelope-from=lord@basiscraft.com; helo=d.mail.sonic.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137468 Archived-At: If your line of reasoning were true, it would mean that all forms of peer-to-peer networking are "the same" aside from "style". -t On 2022-05-29 19:24, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Thomas Lord wrote: > >>> But with the Fediverse you have it, >> >> Not at all - that's a very different system for a fairly >> narrow set of purposes, but I'll drop it. > > They call the architecture with many servers a federation but > it's the same as the Usenet one, see these images > > https://dataswamp.org/~incal/pimgs/comp/net-arch.png > https://dataswamp.org/~incal/pimgs/comp/usenet.png > > So while in theory it is total P2P in practice it is > client-server only there are many servers that themselves > share information, or temporarily acts as clients if you will. > > It's the old redundance and propagation scheme all over. > > So then the Fediverse (a concept) is the whole set based on > this network idea, and the Mastodon "instances" (servers) that > offer a FOSS Facebook/Twitter-ish service is just one service > of many possible, albeit one that has been realized.