From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: ASCII-only startup message? Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 02:16:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <032eb0f9-1cc3-44fa-b37b-af697c8bdc86@default> References: <567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu> <8360zlhy7x.fsf@gnu.org> <567EE043.9020109@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4chgh5q.fsf@gnu.org> <567EED47.1090700@cs.ucla.edu> <83si2pgci8.fsf@gnu.org> <567F22B1.9040702@cs.ucla.edu> <2dc99848-b6d5-4f53-b22c-66e29d15647c@default> <444c19cb-4687-41c4-8291-481f5b5a42a1@default> <9e93866e-c6a4-42e3-b8b2-70fd6185b25e@default> <568102D0.5030707@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451297819 17568 80.91.229.3 (28 Dec 2015 10:16:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 10:16:59 +0000 (UTC) To: Paul Eggert , =?utf-8?B?UGVyIFN0YXJiw6Rjaw==?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 28 11:16:46 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDUr5-0001Ma-Vl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 11:16:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44080 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDUr0-0005IV-4F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 05:16:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44343) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDUqw-0005IE-IO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 05:16:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDUqr-0005Ru-HH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 05:16:34 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:50311) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDUqr-0005Rm-AU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 05:16:29 -0500 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tBSAGHnT021261 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Dec 2015 10:16:17 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBSAGH8R027478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Dec 2015 10:16:17 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBSAGHOK012020; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 10:16:17 GMT In-Reply-To: <568102D0.5030707@cs.ucla.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197006 Archived-At: > > Emacs should (continue to) use U+0027 (ASCII apostrophe) as apostrophe > > (in its own doc, *scratch* comments, and so on). >=20 > The Emacs source code largely does that already, so I assume you=E2=80=99= re > talking about how the documentation is presented to the user.=20 The question raised was use in *scratch*. But yes, I am talking about source-code comments that users can see. (And yes, _personally_, I would prefer that we make life easier for users in Info and *Help* and *Messages* and ... too, if that were still possible. But that's not what this discussion is about.) > It would be a nontrivial project to change Emacs in the way you > suggest, as many of the punctuation apostrophes are in *info* buffers > and are generated by Texinfo... No, I'm not suggesting that now - Texinfo is clearly a lost cause. ;-) The question was raised about *scratch* and comments in code. > Traditionally there is no textual distinction between punctuation > apostrophes and right single quotation marks,=20 By "textual distinction" are you saying only that they traditionally look the same? If so, I agree. > ... even though in both cases there are large semantic differences. Again, I agree. An apostrophe is not a quotation mark, even if they look the same or similar.