From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "grischka" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: vertical scrollbar error on MS Windows Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:45:09 +0100 Message-ID: <030c01c75b73$9ee4a620$8144fe91@j4f3n1> References: <001401c7554e$bbd42100$2446fe91@j4f3n1><009401c75611$3782cbe0$351b90d4@j4f3n1><002c01c75aa4$875cf0e0$8144fe91@j4f3n1> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1172693096 8849 80.91.229.12 (28 Feb 2007 20:04:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stefan Monnier" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 28 21:04:48 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HMV2d-0000bn-6J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:04:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMV2e-00021G-0C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:04:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HMV21-0001U3-93 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:04:09 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HMV1z-0001S1-EJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:04:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMV1z-0001Rv-7Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:04:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1HMV1y-0005Pv-FD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:04:06 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Feb 2007 20:04:04 -0000 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+VsIMWo9yVXHJEowGo5zgDk9VS/rmqW5kMc7X0Z0 17Lg== X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:67055 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier wrote: > A scrollbar is nothing more than a bunch of pixels that give > you some rough idea of where you are (and how much of the > rest there is left to see), along with some way to move with > the use of a mouse. Sounds like a somehow applicable description of scrolling in emacs, to be honest. > I believe that confining oneself strictly to some analogy to the physical > world is just plain dumb. What's the benefit, concretely? No user has ever > complained that she doesn't understand how Emacs scrollbars work just > because they "slide off the end". When the thumb slides off the end, all > users know immediately that it "has slid off the end": they understand it > completely intuitively. Only GUI-nitpickers get annoyed that it doesn't > conform to some model. I have my doubts whether everybody sees it as you see it. As you say one is not confined to one analogy exclusively. Also I would not trust a developer with such things anyway. Other than that I'm still curious to see all that work with the intuitive Xaw features added on the scrollbar from the other OS. -- grischka