From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21594: 25.0.50; (elisp): node `Variable Definitions' is not reachable by `i variable definition' Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 13:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <02aef894-7fda-4061-943e-24115490c85e@default> References: <> <<87v9vgg0vv.fsf@mouse.gnus.org>> <<83k1bwhepu.fsf@gnu.org>> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="26010"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 21594@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 01 22:08:10 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1htHMv-0006cz-4J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Thu, 1 Aug 2019 20:07:22 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2u349eb5pr-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 01 Aug 2019 20:07:22 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x71K7LvZ029220; Thu, 1 Aug 2019 20:07:21 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83k1bwhepu.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4873.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9336 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1906280000 definitions=main-1908010210 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9336 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1906280000 definitions=main-1908010210 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:164271 Archived-At: > A node's name is a label, and needs to satisfy > several requirements, so it isn't always as > accurate as the section name. True enough. And one of those requirements is to be able to use `g' to get to it. A node's name is something that users see and use. It's not just an internal label. > the assumption that someone might look up this > node by its name, or be surprised that only > defcustoms are described there, is misguided, IMO. No one made such an assumption, if by "look up" you mean only `i'. The node name is important, and in this case it's not good. Use `i' and you get to the right node for `variable definition'. No problem there. Use `g' with completion and you get to the wrong node for the same input. And you might use substring or multiple-pattern completion, with input like `var' and `def', and the result of completion will be `Variable=20 Definitions', which you will naturally think takes you to a node about that. Completion shows you all matches for your input. Scanning the candidates quickly is another way to get to a node. It's not about `g' instead of `i'. It's that `g' is also useful, and node names should be helpful, not misleading.