From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4477: bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 11:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <028c363a-e801-4c9a-8ebd-d55180961cf7@default> References: <> <<87a8keeufp.fsf@gnus.org>> <<87r3dq248n.fsf@gnu.org>> <<87ziseu7bh.fsf@gnus.org>> <<87zh6pkv4b.fsf@gnus.org>> <<83364hceou.fsf@gnu.org>> <<87k0xtktxc.fsf@gnus.org>> <<83wo1taywj.fsf@gnu.org>> <<871rk1ksob.fsf@gnus.org>> <<83sgchaydm.fsf@gnu.org>> <<87sgchjd9r.fsf@gnus.org>> <<83tuwv9mm2.fsf@gnu.org>> <<87ft8en62j.fsf@gnus.org>> <> <<834kouaa0y.fsf@gnu.org>> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9542"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 3465@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, 4477@debbugs.gnu.org, bojohan@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 22 20:12:14 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k9Xzy-0002Ob-7X for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:11:27 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07MI8ZoW008755; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:11:26 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 332tpgf0yu-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:11:26 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 07MIBOlk016548; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:11:25 GMT In-Reply-To: <<834kouaa0y.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5044.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9721 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008220200 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9721 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 suspectscore=0 clxscore=1015 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008220200 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:185984 Archived-At: > > Please reread the bug report. I don't think it's hard > > to understand the request: Be able to also log > > `minibuffer-message' output. >=20 > Please re-read what I responded. Which part of it > contradicts what you requested? >=20 > > And obviously WITHOUT calling `message', which is not > > logging `minibuffer-message' but logging `message', > > and which adds the UI effect of `message'. >=20 > The UI effect of 'message' can be easily disabled by the Lisp program > which calls 'message', which in effect converts 'message' into a > logging function. Include that in the code that calls > 'minibuffer-message', and you have what you wanted, no? Please read what you just responded to again. The request is to be able to have `minibuffer-message' output logged, WITHOUT calling `message'. You seem to keep repeating that we can have the effect of logging the text (and have the UI effect of only `minibuffer-message') by ALSO calling `message'. That's not the request. It's not about whether one can get the effect of logging `minibuffer-message' output without also logging a `message' output for the same text. It's about simply controlling logging for `minibuffer-message', totally, completely, independent of any use of `message'. IOW, please forget about `message'. The request is for a simple way to (optionally) log output of=20 `minibuffer-message', just as we do, for example for `message' output. And without recourse to any call to `message' - no workaround, just a simple way to log `minibuffer-message'. We have such a way for `message' output. The request is for such a way for `minibuffer-message' output - totally independent from `message'. > > Eli seems to have clearly misunderstood the request. >=20 > Please don't second-guess my misunderstandings. It is rude, to say > the least. Fair enough to say that I do think you've misundertood? Perhaps you prefer RMS's favorite way to put it: "We seem to be miscommunicating." You reply that what I say is obvious to all and doesn't need to be said. I reply that I think you're not getting what I'm saying. You reply that there's a workaround (which I could say is obvious to all and doesn't need to be reiterated). I reply that I'm aware of that workaround, and I'm asking for a _simple_ way to do what's requested, along the lines of what's available for `message', for instance. > > Please reopen this enhancement request. It's simply > > a request to _be able to_ log `minibuffer-message' > > output. Not a big deal. >=20 > You are already able to do that, AFAICT. Not simply. Not in a way similar or analogous to what we can do for `message'. Not without jumping through a hoop - also calling `message'. Please keep `message' out of it. This request is about `minibuffer-message'.