From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: inclusion of emacs-w3m Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:59:34 -0700 Message-ID: <0284F262-46FA-4FEE-8A05-2E8F23E70C56@mit.edu> References: <87txw9r9o2.fsf@kanis.fr> <871uihst4z.fsf@gnus.org> <87pq61k48h.fsf@kanis.fr> <87d320a6jd.fsf@gnus.org> <87ehm87sjz.fsf@zigzag.favinet> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1486\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1347382803 21676 80.91.229.3 (11 Sep 2012 17:00:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs devel To: Thien-Thi Nguyen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 11 19:00:07 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TBToh-0006io-Re for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:00:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40942 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBToe-0008I1-Fi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:00:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42163) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBToW-0008HU-JU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:59:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBToS-0005za-Ej for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:59:52 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-7.mit.edu ([18.7.68.36]:62604) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBToS-0005zT-9T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:59:48 -0400 X-AuditID: 12074424-b7f856d000000942-1b-504f6e037949 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.36]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-7.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 48.7E.02370.30E6F405; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id q8BGxlZQ014544; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:59:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.21] (c-98-247-148-125.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.148.125]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id q8BGxXvk025759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:59:46 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87ehm87sjz.fsf@zigzag.favinet> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1486) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrMIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nosuc5x9gsGiRlsXjBU9YLTqWzWNx YPJom2bm0fc0JIApissmJTUnsyy1SN8ugSvjWZdvwRy2irdrtjA3MDazdjFyckgImEg8/L0b yhaTuHBvPVsXIxeHkMA+RomWmetYIJwNjBJ7Z9xhh3DOMkkcvNHPBtLCLKAlcePfS6YuRg4O XgE9idN7E0BMYQFliXkPnUBMNgEZoKEaIMWcAjoSZx68ZAaxWQRUJSb+3cYCMURV4vbyzawQ trzE9rdzwGp4Bawk9j+bA3XCZEaJ9Q9vMYIkRATUJB5un84IcbSsxP77+xgnMArOQnLQLISD ZiEZu4CReRWjbEpulW5uYmZOcWqybnFyYl5eapGuuV5uZoleakrpJkZw2Lqo7GBsPqR0iFGA g1GJh5chwT9AiDWxrLgy9xCjJAeTkihvUTZQiC8pP6UyI7E4I76oNCe1+BCjBAezkghvuhVQ jjclsbIqtSgfJiXNwaIkzns95aa/kEB6YklqdmpqQWoRTFaGg0NJgvdlDlCjYFFqempFWmZO CUKaiYMTZDgP0HCFXJDhxQWJucWZ6RD5U4yKUuK8h0CaBUASGaV5cL2wtPKKURzoFWHejyBV PMCUBNf9CmgwE9BgXw8fkMEliQgpqQbGhW+/TT3uE52sb/O4/WlFzW6+vpRXaz/Y2+nbXFko eVL+RKD6l/r6sHn2R2JkJMw3bJX/cViZ2eZ1tOUKruQSvc32bj+5Gw99EPy1uLbQYsobdxHR cidWDo4bDkJcIZlyD45vX35KTOjnc5ebFYUHK37d1r2ez8h56tz3Bp09qx2MNmSd X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 18.7.68.36 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:153242 Archived-At: On 11 Sep 2012, at 03:38, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: > Don't forget decent table rendering (especially, nested tables), one of > w3m's distinguishing features. From /usr/share/doc/w3m/STORY.html: Table rending is certainly a PITA, but there are 2.5 big things working on the side of an emacs-based HTML renderer: 1.) Terrible table hacks like nested tables and table-based layout are vastly less common than they were when w3m was created (largely to overcome lynx's poor table handling). 2.) The Emacs display engine *can* scroll side-to-side, whereas w3m lived in a world where things off the right side of the tty were forever out of sight. 2.5) shr.el already renders tables (so one could get started without solving this problem first). *Chad