From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17511: 24.4.50; `line-move-ignore-invisible': doc and purpose not clear Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 09:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01ef3dd7-c4a9-4e37-be97-ecd4b73d7436@default> References: <<8c772b14-20d1-4e3a-9936-f81936c3d31b@default>> <<83a9age9dl.fsf@gnu.org>> <<547b37b1-f55b-45e9-8c89-eb9388580d36@default>> <<8361l4e66d.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1400343936 9192 80.91.229.3 (17 May 2014 16:25:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 16:25:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 17511@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 17 18:25:28 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WlhQL-0000FO-JU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 May 2014 18:25:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40780 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WlhQL-0005ir-3j for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 May 2014 12:25:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38557) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WlhQ9-0005iQ-6f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 May 2014 12:25:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WlhPy-00034X-Kd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 May 2014 12:25:13 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:52712) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WlhPy-000346-IW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 May 2014 12:25:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WlhPx-0004rx-Px for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 May 2014 12:25:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 16:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17511 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 17511-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17511.140034387518666 (code B ref 17511); Sat, 17 May 2014 16:25:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17511) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 May 2014 16:24:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51589 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WlhPW-0004qz-Jp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 May 2014 12:24:34 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:51989) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WlhPU-0004qj-Dm for 17511@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 May 2014 12:24:33 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s4HGOPW3015709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 May 2014 16:24:26 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s4HGOPmj004713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 17 May 2014 16:24:25 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s4HGOOQt004708; Sat, 17 May 2014 16:24:25 GMT In-Reply-To: <<8361l4e66d.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:89197 Archived-At: > OK, I removed the empty line. Thx. Maybe it would be good to decide on the convention to use and document it in the guidelines. Just a suggestion. > I see no reason to mention invisible lines, because that might be > confusing: what matters are not the lines, but the newlines. > Therefore, the doc string now only talks about newlines, and the > manual now says: >=20 > Ordinarily, functions that operate on text or move point do not care > whether the text is invisible, they process invisible characters and > visible characters alike. The user-level line motion commands, > such as @code{next-line}, @code{previous-line}, ignore invisible > newlines if @code{line-move-ignore-invisible} is non-@code{nil} (the > default), i.e., behave like these invisible newlines didn't exist in > the buffer, but only because they are explicitly programmed to do so. Looks good. I will close the bug.