From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:37:06 +0200 Message-ID: <01c52c99$Blat.v2.4$a6d19a60@zahav.net.il> References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111246838 6681 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 15:40:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 16:40:37 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCg3z-0000zJ-5q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:40:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgKh-00008C-0P for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:57:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgJG-0007tx-Mw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:56:18 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgJ8-0007oy-FU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:56:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgJ8-0007of-6V for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:56:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DCg3P-00085X-T4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:39:56 -0500 Original-Received: from zaretski (IGLD-84-228-241-130.inter.net.il [84.228.241.130]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.6-GR) with ESMTP id AUA04228 (AUTH halo1); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:39:52 +0200 (IST) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailer: emacs 22.0.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 2.4 In-reply-to: (message from Brian Elmegaard on 19 Mar 2005 14:41:11 +0100) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24953 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24953 > From: Brian Elmegaard > Date: 19 Mar 2005 14:41:11 +0100 > > Four fundamental issues would be: [1] Possibility for horizontal > scroll, [2] sizeable and cascadable windows instead of buffers inside > the same frame, [3] heavy extension of the icon toolbars and [4] > distinction between 'open' and 'new' file. With the exception of the last one, these are all advanced stuff, not something a newbie would stumble on, IMHO. > Keys which would make emacs more "normal": > M-F4 for exiting would be one. This is the function of the window manager. Where Emacs runs under a window manager, Alt-F4 does close it. > C-TAB for frame/window/buffer (depending on changes according to [2]) > switching. Where did you see this key binding?