From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rmail mbox-format branch Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:42:26 +0300 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <01c4972b$Blat.v2.2.2$64073b80@zahav.net.il> References: <41406C46.6050505@pajato.com> <01c4969e$Blat.v2.2.2$d48c9a40@zahav.net.il> <20040909221947.GB11694@fencepost> <01c49717$Blat.v2.2.2$402ab840@zahav.net.il> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1094816693 32391 80.91.224.253 (10 Sep 2004 11:44:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pmr@pajato.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 10 13:44:35 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C5jpT-0003er-00 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:44:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C5juq-00029p-0N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:50:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1C5jud-00028s-6g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:49:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1C5jub-00026L-02 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:49:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C5jua-00026E-Sj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:49:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.24] (helo=legolas.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C5jos-0003VN-Jg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:43:58 -0400 Original-Received: from zaretski ([80.230.157.187]) by legolas.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.3-GR) with ESMTP id CNG20177 (AUTH halo1); Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:43:37 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: storm@cua.dk X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 2.2.2 In-reply-to: (storm@cua.dk) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:26959 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:26959 > Cc: pmr@pajato.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:39:37 +0200 > > It will probably take a month or two for the emacs developers > to fix bugs in the unicode branch before starting pretest on 22.1 -- > > in the meantime, we can run a pretest for 21.5 bug-fix release if > necessary. Okay, but that means we cannot ``immediately'' start pretesting 22.1. > > Experience also shows that a pretest of a major new release takes > > several months. 21.1 took more than 6 months, IIRC, and it was used > > by more people before the pretest than the Unicode branch is now. > > 21.1 was developed within a "closed group". 21.4 has been developed > in a wide open forum since day 1, and I think that CVS emacs is used > by MANY users everyday already -- and as such has got more pre-testing > already than 21.1 ever got! > > So I'm pretty optimistic re. the length of the 21.4 pretest. I was talking about the length of the pretest of 22.1, not of 21.4. The unicode branch is developed by a small group as well, I think it's even smaller than the one who used 21.1 during its development. > But if we merge the rmail/mbox branch to trunk now, I'm much less > optimistic :-( I don't understand why. Most Emacs suers don't use RMAIL anyway, so please explain the reasons for your pessimism.