From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:15:09 +0300 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <01c48a5a$Blat.v2.2.2$412bdd60@zahav.net.il> References: <001401c478de$908a92d0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <1091508072.20683.201576204@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4111491A.4090601@runestig.com> <4111D8D4.1040506@runestig.com> <1091693906.8538.201741376@webmail.messagingengine.com> <001d01c47afa$c1f5f170$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <003e01c48946$a8ebfad0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <011201c48a06$469eb6e0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <016f01c48a10$f6081090$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <001801c48a37$995d27f0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1093407628 12833 80.91.224.253 (25 Aug 2004 04:20:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 04:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 25 06:20:18 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BzpGk-0004lu-00 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:20:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BzpLH-0005am-Ir for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:24:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BzpLC-0005ah-57 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:24:54 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BzpL8-0005aT-UO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:24:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BzpL8-0005aQ-Mq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:24:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.24] (helo=legolas.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BzpGW-0000Xo-2M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:20:04 -0400 Original-Received: from zaretski ([80.230.149.106]) by legolas.inter.net.il (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id CJC92430 (AUTH halo1); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:20:01 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: "Lennart Borgman" X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 2.2.2 In-reply-to: <001801c48a37$995d27f0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> (lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:26471 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:26471 > From: "Lennart Borgman" > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 02:06:10 +0200 > > I agree that the packaging and user-preferences basically should be > separated. But it is also important to make a more easy road to emacs for an > ms windows user. Please don't do that: a freshly installed Emacs on Windows should behave the same as on Unix. Anything else calls for problems and misunderstandings when peopel report bugs. I completely agree with Stefan: anything that doesn't work out of the box on Windows is a bug that should be solved in the core distribution, not in add-on packages. > I agree. Some time ago I sent a pointer to w32-printing.el that I have > uploaded to http://www.emacswiki.org/. Since I uploaded this I have realized > that I want to change some things in it, but basically it contain what I > believe is an easy and sufficiently good printing solution for Emacs on ms > windows. It does not however have all the options that printing.el have, it > is a much simpler solution. The advantage it has is that it uses the default > windows printing setup. I wrote it simply because I had trouble printing to > the network printers at my job from Emacs. It can print in two ways: > a) Through Notepad using just "notepad.exe /p" > b) Through Internet Explorer. This uses htmlize.el to color the printout. This is IMHO ridiculous: we should not use these tools to print, we should instead add the code to Emacs to do whatever they do to find the default printer. Ghostscript does that, and Ghostscript is free software, so someone should be able to look in its code and find the trick. > A user may want to use both this and the postscript printing. Postscript > printing does not work without Ghostview which most users on ms windows does > not have installed. Postscript print does not automatically work on Unix, either, if you don't have access to a Postscript-able printer.