From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Customize buttons that change user's custom fileshouldaskforconfirmation Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:05:32 +0100 Message-ID: <018201c5132c$d1cd7940$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> References: <00e301c509c1$9c761690$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1108451872 10368 80.91.229.2 (15 Feb 2005 07:17:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: abraham@dina.kvl.dk, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, snogglethorpe@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 15 08:17:51 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D0wxo-0007U2-Qp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:17:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D0xDV-0004It-PX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:33:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D0x5v-0002Pq-BC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:26:05 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D0x5g-0002HG-VK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:25:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D0x5g-0002DV-Jn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:25:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [81.228.10.108] (helo=av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D0wmY-00075D-1P; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:06:02 -0500 Original-Received: by av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 5CF4C37F06; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:06:01 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.182]) by av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7E937F03; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:06:01 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from sedrcw11488 (t1o58p18.telia.com [62.20.164.18]) by smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5166937E4E; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:05:58 +0100 (CET) Original-To: , "Kim F. Storm" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:33461 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:33461 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Stallman" > One possible solution for that is to discourage, or even get rid of, > of the per-variable command button. If there is only the whole-buffer > Set and the whole-buffer Save, this confusion won't happen. I do not think that is a good solution because the customization buffer might be a result of a search. > ISTR that I have seen apps where there is no difference between the > field value and the active value within the customization tool, but > all the changes require confirmation when you exit the customization > tool. It is an unusual behaviour I think. Maybe it is because it is tedious? > The concept of "exiting" does not make sense for a Custom buffer, but > there could be a buffer-wide Activate command, "Put this in effect", > which combines Set and Save. If that were the only way to make values > take effect, it would be a lot simpler than the current Custom > facility. It is rather common on w32 that there is an Apply command which does this. > In addition to Activate, there would be Cancel and Standard Values. > And perhaps What's Changed, which says what would change if you use > Activate right now. I miss the Set button. IMO opinion the names you propose makes it a bit more difficult to have a Set button.