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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248475 Archived-At: On 02.05.2020 18:52, Arthur Miller wrote: > When we speak about Emacs and adoption, I think Emacs has actually got a > revival, compared to how I saw it used for 20 years ago, I think it is > quite a lot life about Emacs nowdays. There are people blogging, doing > videos, reddit seems quite active, the mailing list has become likea > spam:-), I don't remember it was active like this before, people are > writing new packages and so on. Was it package.el that did this? It sounds like the most likely culprit.