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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251060 Archived-At: On 20.05.2020 17:31, João Távora wrote: > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 3:13 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: >> On 20.05.2020 17:06, João Távora wrote: > >> 'C-h .' shows documentation for a function? Or diagnostics/errors? > > Maybe both. This is still under discussion. Let's have your feedback > there in the issueI linked to. Okay. Continuing with the discussion on GitHub, then. >> No diagnostics will ask you to refactor a method. To do a >> rename/extract/override kind of action. >> >> That's simply a missing feature, I guess. > > No not entirely, I think. There's eglot-rename. Yes another command. > But the extract/override stuff is probably "code actions". I'm not > 100% sure how they work right now, I can check later. Sounds good. > But anyway, they could be supported by Flymake diagnostics. Or > some other abstraction for supporting "interesting regions". Not sure all "code actions" have some pre-defined regions. >> Um, okay. If there is a splash screen, couldn't it say 'M-x >> eglot-start'? Or do you dislike that name now, for some reason? > > I don't _dislike_ the name. I chose a unique name because I felt > "lsp" would be too intrusive on a technology (obviously, someone > else thought otherwise...). > > It could, but "Eglot", as Stefan pointed out, sounds unnecessarily > peculiar and foreign. *shrug* I like it. > Anyway, all this is putting the cart way ahead of the horse. Indeed.