From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: suggestions on toolbar icons Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:08:01 +0100 Message-ID: <00f101c52b14$94d4c700$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111080409 12825 80.91.229.2 (17 Mar 2005 17:26:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 17 18:26:49 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DBycE-0007on-2Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:16:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DBysV-0008Tj-Sn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:33:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DByp6-0005E7-BV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:30:16 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DByp2-0005Bt-01 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:30:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DByp1-0005BO-KC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:30:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [81.228.10.107] (helo=av9-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DByYH-0001IC-V4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:12:54 -0500 Original-Received: by av9-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 37D1A37E5B; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:12:53 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.182]) by av9-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277E737E5B; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:12:53 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from sedrcw11488 (t3o58p139.telia.com [195.252.56.139]) by smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AA2C37E56; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:12:51 +0100 (CET) Original-To: "Jan D." , "Drew Adams" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34673 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34673 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan D." > The tool bar icons follow the Gnome stock items > (http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/gtk/gtk-Stock-Items.html). I think Emacs > should follow them as close as it can, but we can of course change if > there is a good reason. Thanks for this pointer. > > - Arrows Previous, Next, Up, History Back, and History Forward: > > The structural-move icons (Previous, Next, Up) look too much > > like the chronological-move icons of Web browsers. I don't > > have a slam-dunk suggestion here, but we should come up with > > something better: browser users are used to these fat arrows > > for chronological moves. (It's best to avoid them altogether.) > > Gnome stock left/right/up. I can actually not find that on the page above. That is I can find GTK_STOCK_GO_UP, but there is as far as I can see nothing like GTK_STOCK_GO_PREVIOUS (or LEFT). It seems like they forgot to distinguish between GTK_STOCK_GO_BACK (ie a chronological move) and ...PREVIOUS (ie a structural move). I think this is pretty bad if you need both. On the page above they have actually used filled arrows for structural moves (see the top). Is that consistent with their suggestions? I think we should distinguish between structural and cronological moves. As I said in another message perhaps we do not need the structural moves in the toolbar since they are in the text.