From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Eliminating "changed in Emacs outside of Customize" Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:41:09 +0100 Message-ID: <00db01c50874$78c1ea10$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107273346 15651 80.91.229.6 (1 Feb 2005 15:55:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 01 16:55:39 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cw0NM-00089Q-00 for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:55:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw0aG-0006cy-1r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:08:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw0Xy-0005nA-Rp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:06:35 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw0Xu-0005ka-9J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:06:30 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw0Xr-0005gY-0l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:06:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [81.228.11.110] (helo=av3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cw09Z-0003wA-Km for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:41:21 -0500 Original-Received: by av3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E0F6E37E7A; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:41:20 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.164]) by av3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF67637E62; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:41:20 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from sedrcw11488 (t5o58p60.telia.com [195.67.196.60]) by smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CA5EB37E77; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:41:18 +0100 (CET) Original-To: "Per Abrahamsen" , X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32710 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32710 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Abrahamsen" > In order for customize to work non-surprisingly, it has to be the only > interface for changing the variable. [ This is why you should never > defcustom a variable that is changed through Lisp code. Instead, > split the variable in two, one for the Lisp code and one for the user > alone (through customize). ] This is IMO a very good point and if I understand Drew A correctly this is one thing he has been pointing out. (Though he says a lot more than this.) It would perhaps be good if set-variable was under the customize umbrella too?