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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251569 Archived-At: > If it's every time, that punishes experienced users, who do `find-file' > on directories deliberately and don't want an extra keystroke to get in > the way. >=20 > If it's only the first time, then I think it has other disadvantages: >=20 > - It doesn't really help the new user know what's going on or what's > about to happen. >=20 > - It mis-trains them to think that when they do `find-file' on a > directory they'll be asked for confirmation, when actually that's only > going to happen this one time. (Or maybe they have to set some > variable to get what we currently consider the "normal" behavior? But > that's adding even complexity.) >=20 > I admit that I'm basically using this as Yet Another Example of how > newcomer-friendliness is inherently in tension with rewards-investors > :-). It's hard to make find-file-on-a-directory less surprising for > newcomers without either reducing the feature's investability (that is, > without reducing a persistent new user's ability to learn about it by > digesting a surprise and comprehending it) or reducing the feature's > utility to the experienced users who are already familiar with it. >=20 > So, IMHO, we should change nothing about Emacs's behavior here: I think > `find-file' does the best thing it can do right now. >=20 > (However, maybe it would be good to cover this behavior, or at least > warn about it, in the tutorial or in other new-user help documentation > -- I haven't looked at that documentation in a long time, so I can't > say for sure.) +1, for everything.