From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: order of manuals in Info... Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:43:56 -0800 Message-ID: <007501c97f79$14a0c260$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1233001280 9831 80.91.229.12 (26 Jan 2009 20:21:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:21:20 +0000 (UTC) To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 26 21:22:33 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LRXyC-0005dO-AR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:22:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35065 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LRXwu-00042V-AR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:20:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LRWaF-0002rl-G3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:53:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LRWaD-0002oX-Cv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:53:18 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42508 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LRWaC-0002nq-JP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:53:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:52905) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LRVNs-0008I7-49 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:36:29 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com ([141.146.126.233]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LRKHT-0006C9-SA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:45:08 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet13.oracle.com (acsinet13.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n0Q5jRqe032502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:45:28 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt706.oracle.com (acsmt706.oracle.com [141.146.40.84]) by acsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n0Q5hXxD019724 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:43:34 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.5.128.33) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:43:32 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acl/eRP8YP3pvyzSTFKpRsFDpkyaAQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt706.oracle.com [141.146.40.84] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.497D4D85.01EB:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:108253 Archived-At: 1. What is the ordering scheme used in emacs -Q for the Info manuals? If it's supposed to reflect general usefulness or popularity, then I would expect to see things like Dired-X, Ediff, and Tramp higher up, and things like Newsticker lower down. That's not a great way to organize the menu anyway (and one person's useful is another's useless). Simplest would be alphabetical order - easy to find most entries. But keep Info, Emacs, Emacs FAQ, Emacs Lisp Intro, and Elisp at the top. 2. Why does the description of Emacs Lisp Intro appear on a separate line from the menu item? (It is the same length as EasyPG Assistant, so it shouldn't be a problem of item length.) 3. How about reducing the descriptions of these entries? . VIPER from 3 lines to 1: VIPER - VI emulation mode" . SC, Autotype, Forms, and Widget descriptions from 2 lines to 1: SC - Supercite: cite parts of messages Autotype - Automatically insert text you type often Forms - Edit databases by filling in forms Widget - UI toolkit used by Customize The multiple-line descriptions can give a false impression of separating the menu items into groups.