From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode on bydefault] Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:33:28 -0700 Message-ID: <006d01c88e07$76f98b40$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324115510.GA1563@muc.de> <874pavg45t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <004d01c88e01$0f93b8f0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206401727 16786 80.91.229.12 (24 Mar 2008 23:35:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "'Stephen J. Turnbull'" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'paul r'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 25 00:35:57 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JdwCi-0007rv-L4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:35:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JdwC7-0001En-Hg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:35:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JdwC4-0001Ec-9V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:35:08 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JdwC2-0001E8-I8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:35:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JdwC2-0001Dx-A3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:35:06 -0400 Original-Received: from agminet01.oracle.com ([141.146.126.228]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JdwC1-0007mz-Vr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:35:06 -0400 Original-Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id m2ONZ1M3005934; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:35:01 -0500 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m2O93fkg013878; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:35:00 -0600 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3623898711206401607; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:33:27 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by bhmail.oracle.com (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:33:27 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AciOBxd88C3gxXiNSvmHs0PoDW+IEgAAEUAA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93350 Archived-At: > > WDOT? > > To me, any "oldie" irritated by a change in default settings can go in > its .emacs and revert to previous behaviour in a matter of seconds. > I'm again under the impression that this idea provides convenience to > experienced users that do not really need it. Newbies need default > settings that encourage them to carry on, this is the real challenge I > think. Sounds like you didn't read what I wrote. Try again.