From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: emacs mode line suggestions Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:45:12 -0800 Message-ID: <006501c948cb$7b217140$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <15962952-6180-41bd-abce-1b919aa55807@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <87y6ziu4rm.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226937182 28776 80.91.229.12 (17 Nov 2008 15:53:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "'Paul R'" , "'Ian Eure'" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 17 16:54:04 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1L26Pw-0000AW-TG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:53:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60008 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L26Oo-0002CS-IT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:52:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L26OQ-0002CK-NL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:52:02 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L26OP-0002C6-3S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:52:02 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52673 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L26OO-0002C3-W2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:52:01 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com ([141.146.126.233]:16827) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L26OO-0000FL-Bk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:52:00 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mAHFqR2L001068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:52:29 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt704.oracle.com (acsmt704.oracle.com [141.146.40.82]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mAHFpoLn014854; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:51:52 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.23.165.218) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:44:53 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87y6ziu4rm.fsf@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AclIj/CMoqpmwjygRqK/ESNg8QzVnQANwV0g X-Source-IP: acsmt704.oracle.com [141.146.40.82] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.49219313.00B0:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59866 Archived-At: > current behaviour is clearly confusing and suboptimal. > Maybe buffers lack a :user or a :system flag that would be set > automatically or by the producer,... > > The effort could be joined with the one mentionned on emacs devel few > months ago to give emacs enought facilities to propose "workspaces".... > > We can imagine... > > ... is a terrible default usability choice C'mon guys. This is help-gnu-emacs. It's for getting help about using Emacs. There is a mailing list for discussions of the suitability of the existing Emacs behavior and possible improvements: emacs-devel@gnu.org. Discussing such things (Emacs could, would, should) here is generally OT (IIUC). A help topic could of course evolve toward discussion of possible Emacs changes. When that happens, you can always divert it to emacs-devel, letting everyone here know. AFAICT, this thread did not evolve into such a discussion; it started out that way. It's time to move it where it belongs, I think. I don't mean to single out Paul's latest message or even just this thread. The text quoted above from Paul's message serves only as an illustration of the kind of thing that is now being discussed here. Let's help users by not diluting the help Q&A here. Please bring your suggestions for changing Emacs to emacs-devel, where they are appropriate. >From http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs: This list is the place for users and installers of GNU Emacs to ask for help. Please send bug reports to bug-gnu-emacs instead of posting them here. Since help-gnu-emacs is a very large list, send it only those items that are seriously important to many people.