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Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:01:44 +0900 (JST) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by rzlab.ucr.edu id m7917NMZ019215 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:07:40 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:19164 Archived-At: =E9=85=8D=E4=BF=A1=E4=B8=8D=E8=A6=81 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Ted Zlatanov'" ; Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:57 AM Subject: bug#641: format-time-string %Z does not work,starting with Emacs= =20 22.2 >> We could at least provide this, and if the mapping fails we >> could print a message that it's an unknown string, and the >> user can submit a bug. %Z could show the full Windows-provided >> name, which IMHO is better than nothing. > > Yes, my point from the beginning is that the Windows name can be better= =20 > than > nothing, depending on your needs. > > It depends on what you want/need in any given context. I agree with Eli= =20 > that we > also need to let users specify, when they need it, a name guaranteed to= be > Posix-compliant, which would be "" if no other Posix name is appropriat= e. > > IOW, we should give users _both_ possibilities unambiguously: Posix-onl= y=20 > and > possibly-non-Posix, better-than-nothing, YMMV, human-readable name. > > We can do that by introducing a new format key, in addition to %Z. Eith= er=20 > %Z or > the new key can be for the better-than-nothing, human-readable name. %Z= =20 > for this > has the advantage of backward compatibility. %Z for the Posix-compliant= =20 > name has > the advantage that "Z" is itself a Posix convention. > > I'm OK with either approach. The important thing is to give users the=20 > option of > specifying either name format, depending on their needs. > > > > > >=20