From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: inputting characters by hexadigit Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:55:03 -0700 Message-ID: <004c01c8eda5$a31888e0$0ab32382@us.oracle.com> References: <868ww3vydn.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87myki6fqp.fsf@jurta.org> <87mykhz6tf.fsf@jurta.org> <87tzeokrku.fsf@jurta.org> <87od4wgg8p.fsf@catnip.gol.com><86od4vmi5i.fsf@lifelogs.com> <873am6n21q.fsf@jurta.org> <87sku5if8t.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <87od4sti4g.fsf@jurta.org><867ibcekf3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878wvsut39.fsf@jurta.org> <864p6fct3s.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216915040 13919 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2008 15:57:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:57:20 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Ted Zlatanov'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 24 17:58:09 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KM3Ch-00085T-Kd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:58:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49968 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KM3Bo-00010o-8R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:57:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KM3AX-0000B5-RK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:55:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KM3AU-0000A1-SX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:55:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55629 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KM3AU-00009t-My for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:55:50 -0400 Original-Received: from agminet01.oracle.com ([141.146.126.228]:17343) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KM3AU-0005Cp-3t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:55:50 -0400 Original-Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id m6OFtiHm008736; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:55:44 -0500 Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m6OBDtWa031857; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:55:42 -0600 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 11021076981216914901; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:55:01 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.179.10) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:55:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcjtkSb5ulLJt8rHSmKwJ/IDLNPuHgAELWag X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <864p6fct3s.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101401 Archived-At: > The problem is that you don't know that something at the end > begins with ZETA until you go to the end of the list. When you know > what's in the list, isearch, partial-completion-mode, icicles, etc. > work great. I don't think they should be disabled in favor of > categorization, only that when there's too much information for a > screenful it should be condensed (maybe something like folding-mode > can be used to hide the things in a category?) A bit OT: Speaking only for Icicles, what you type in the minibuffer automatically (incrementally) filters the candidates (by default, at least), so I don't see the problem you mention. It sounds like you want to be able to also filter on category, that is, filter on the pair: category + name-in-category. For that, in Icicles, you can use a multi-completion that includes the category. What you described was actually, IIUC, to *first* filter on category, *then* filter on name-in-category. That too is possible in Icicles, but filtering on either or both, as I mentioned above, is better - quicker and more general. In Icicles, you can also filter progressively, using multiple patterns, so you can easily filter first with category, then with name-in-category, if you like, using separate patterns. But you need not do things in that order, and you need not even treat the two separately at all.