From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: list files in dired case insensitive order Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:31:45 -0800 Message-ID: <004601c95eeb$c6274e40$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <65e31c14-1342-4075-9662-e8810ba7345e@v5g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <7020f55f-f9c1-429c-b22f-4be40198cfe3@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229369559 11679 80.91.229.12 (15 Dec 2008 19:32:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:32:39 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Xah Lee'" , Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 15 20:33:45 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LCJCC-0002xh-7J for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:33:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46899 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCJAz-0007jv-MK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:32:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCJAX-0007jj-GV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:31:53 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCJAW-0007jQ-HT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:31:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41768 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCJAW-0007jI-Bm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:31:52 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet12.oracle.com ([148.87.113.124]:43353 helo=rgminet12.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LCJAV-0007BB-SM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:31:52 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mBFJVWPV030368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:31:33 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt703.oracle.com (acsmt703.oracle.com [141.146.40.81]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mBFJVqlO010663; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:31:54 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.160.10) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:31:43 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7020f55f-f9c1-429c-b22f-4be40198cfe3@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com> Thread-Index: Acle3Ox5nioYvFV4So2VFs3Ipm6M+wACTNXA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt703.oracle.com [141.146.40.81] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4946B0A1.0076:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:60636 Archived-At: > I went to http://centaur.maths.qmw.ac.uk/Emacs/ but server not responding. > Could you possibly pass me that? > Or perhaps put the source on emacswiki? I just posted the copy I have on the wiki: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/dired-sort-menu.el. I generally don't like to do that, because people should always contact the author for the latest version. It's not the best idea to have multiple versions floating around. I added a comment to that effect to the start of the file's Commentary. I've emailed the author to inform him. If his URL changes or his site comes back up reliably, then I'll delete the copy on the wiki. It is the author's choice where he wants users to look for the latest, maintained version of his work. > I read on emacswiki that you wrote "dired-sort-menu+.el" to enhance > it. Couldn't you just fork it so it's one single coherent package? I don't feel it's my place to do that. Posting a complete library that includes the code of someone else plus my enhancements is not right. I informed the author about `dired-sort-menu+.el' (long ago). If he wants to include those minor enhancements in the original, then I will toss `dired-sort-menu+.el'. That would be preferable, but I cannot make someone include my suggestions. That's the way I work. As long as the original author prefers not to include my additions or changes (or their equivalent), I offer my code as a separate, auxilliary library. In sum, I write an enhancement for my own use first, without modifying the original library, and I make the enhancement available to others also, as long as it has not been incorporated into the original library. It's no big deal for users; you need only load my library; it will load the library it enhances. > my gripe is that there are so many packages to install and massage things. There is nothing additional to install, and no massaging needed. If you want my enhancements, then you need only require `dired-sort-menu+.el' (and put both libraries in your `load-path'). If you prefer the unenhanced original, then you need only require `dired-sort-menu.el' (and put it in your `load-path'). No biggee. > Usually this limit the usefulness to a few emacs diehards. It > would be great if dired itself should handle case insensitive > ordering, since this is pretty basic. Send Emacs enhancement requests to emacs-devel@gnu.org, or use `M-x report-emacs-bug'. That is the only way you can change vanilla Emacs directly. > (dired should also do opening several files, which is also a FAQ)... I was thinking that `e', `f', `RET', and `o' would open the marked files, but I guess not. Dired+ does that - mark the files you want to open, then hit `F'. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DiredPlus. > getting stuff into GNU Emacs is really a pain and long process... > even though it has became better in the past 5 years. I'm not convinced it has become better. But it is the bridge you must cross, if you want to change vanilla Emacs.