From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "vb" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: two more emacs questions Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:00:43 -0800 Message-ID: <004501c70b8f$4d73ebe0$6b01a8c0@dimalaptop> References: <009d01c70a7b$6731f190$6b01a8c0@dimalaptop><87ejs1i2tg.fsf@hans.local.net><005201c70b40$d9d02da0$6b01a8c0@dimalaptop> <87u00wta2o.fsf@hans.local.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1163922291 5715 80.91.229.2 (19 Nov 2006 07:44:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 07:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 19 08:44:48 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GlhM0-0003zB-NN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:44:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GlhM0-0000ny-AK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 02:44:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GldrW-0000Oo-Dc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:00:58 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GldrV-0000No-72 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:00:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GldrU-0000NY-Le for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:00:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [217.160.230.41] (helo=mout.perfora.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GldrS-0000mw-Uc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:00:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [67.160.229.147] (helo=dimalaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1GldrL2L0e-00044T; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:00:53 -0500 Original-To: "Dieter Wilhelm" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:105503e63a43ed9a8b379992658ba53b X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 02:44:26 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:38814 Archived-At: >>>> Another emacs annoyance (at least for us, unfortunate users of other, >>>> less priviledged editors ;-)) is its handling of undo. It does not >>> >>> May I ask which editor? >>> >> >> crisp (as in www.crisp.com) has been doing this for at least twelve >> years now... >> > > Looks nice and capable, so why do you want to play with some other > editor? Emacs can't do any miracles either (except some small, > uplifting ones, you might have seen my organisation header 8-). > > In earnest, I think this is partly a matter of taste and style, some > prefer an interface with strong visual hints and some prefer a more > abstract approach. > > Nothing to argue about. > well, a big difference is that emacs is free and crisp costs money, I moved departments in the company and just was not ready fork out my own $300 or whatever it is these days for the office use. Crisp's colorization, macro language and customization flexibility in my opinion exceeds that of emacs. After a few weeks of macking around with Lisp and asking questions (and getting prompt and to the point answers!) on this forum I got myself more or less comfortable with emacs, but I still think Crisp is a superior product. OTOH emacs is available pretty much anywhere, and for free, being able to use it efficiently is a good skill after all :-) cheers, /vb > -- > Best wishes > > H. Dieter Wilhelm > Darmstadt, Germany >