From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Transient Mark Mode on by default Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:07:20 -0700 Message-ID: <004401c88e46$de4e56b0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324115510.GA1563@muc.de><20080324151053.158b3048@reforged><47E83CC4.4030608@gnu.org> <47E849CA.5010006@emf.net><47E852A1.1010701@gnu.org> <87od93a4cq.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206432466 22642 80.91.229.12 (25 Mar 2008 08:07:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Mike Mattie' , 'Thomas Lord' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Chong Yidong'" , "'Jason Rumney'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 25 09:08:15 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Je4Bh-0000JF-5O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:07:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Je4B6-0005q1-2Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:06:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Je4Az-0005pV-5l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:06:33 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Je4Ax-0005pB-Nr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:06:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Je4Ax-0005p8-Iw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:06:31 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Je4At-0006tU-0F; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:06:27 -0400 Original-Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m2P79ENP031868; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:09:14 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m2O4t9mS020369; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:09:13 -0600 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3624487591206428839; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:07:19 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.72.71) by bhmail.oracle.com (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:07:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87od93a4cq.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Thread-Index: AciOJXzfjj2RCzynQjm8GzO3MOIASQAHx6ug X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93396 Archived-At: > > If the reason for enabling TMM by default is to make life easier for > > new users, then I think it is not enough of an improvement without > > also enabling selection with Shift-movement keys. > > The plan is to add shift selection too. Oh, in that case, please remove my vote for it. I want new users to learn about the mark and C-SPC. TMM works well with Emacs and its notion of a user-set mark, IMO. It does not dumb Emacs selection down in any way (provided mark-even-if-inactive is non-nil). If you want automatic mark activation via Shift by default, then it sounds like you might want CUA selection mode by default. I don't want CUA selection mode by default, but I wouldn't mind delete-selection mode by default. (FWIW, delete-selection mode is what I use.)