From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:14:39 -0700 Message-ID: <004301c9d567$7cb982d0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <4A0C402C.7060804@slugfest.demon.co.uk><20090514181712.GA2413@muc.de><7C757F28-A6B2-48FB-A8AC-CF2E1728FA68@gmail.com><87bppug6gc.fsf@escher.local.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1242396975 22173 80.91.229.12 (15 May 2009 14:16:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Miles Bader'" , "'Stephen Berman'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 15 16:16:07 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M4yCi-0007vW-6N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 16:16:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56936 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M4yCh-0005Xn-FU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 10:16:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M4yBd-0005Cv-0t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 10:14:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M4yBY-0005AX-AY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 10:14:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37832 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M4yBY-0005AM-62 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 10:14:52 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:22130) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M4yBW-0008Hd-2Z; Fri, 15 May 2009 10:14:50 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4FEEXpl023260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 May 2009 14:14:35 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt003.oracle.com (abhmt003.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4FEEhVf001451; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:14:44 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.169.87) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 15 May 2009 07:14:40 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcnVMv7/qzdtH0ahQKyOqd4HrB1sUQAM1N0g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: abhmt003.oracle.com [141.146.116.12] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4A0D78D3.0189:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:110890 Archived-At: > One not too rarely encountered (and to me fairly acceptable) > avoid+infinitive construction is when `avoid' is passivized with an > expletive subject: "It should be avoided to ...". In what country is "avoid to" not too rarely encountered? ;-) One hears that kind of thing in continental Europe, from non-native English speakers. I always thought of it as a kind of faux ami: a direct (mis-)translation. The same thing happens with other verbs, besides "avoid". It's sometimes difficult for those for whom English is a second or third language to keep track of when the infinitive is called for.