From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Getting more info on a variable in Customize buffers Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:54:29 +0100 Message-ID: <003e01c4f371$34df4d00$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1104962189 10184 80.91.229.6 (5 Jan 2005 21:56:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 05 22:56:17 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CmJ8b-0008OO-00 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:56:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CmJJr-0001hX-Sz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:07:55 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CmJJf-0001dM-PD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:07:43 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CmJJd-0001as-2b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:07:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CmJJc-0001a4-Jl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:07:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [81.228.10.109] (helo=av7-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CmJ7k-0001Vx-P9; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:55:25 -0500 Original-Received: by av7-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 1F93137F7B; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:55:24 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.183]) by av7-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F77537EA1; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:55:24 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from sedrcw11488 (t3o58p122.telia.com [195.252.56.122]) by smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D766337E42; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:55:22 +0100 (CET) Original-To: "Drew Adams" , , "Per Abrahamsen" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31925 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31925 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Adams" > Right. I already lamented the fact that the Customize GUI is so poor that it > calls forth the need for doc on how to understand and use it. It should > instead be self-explanatory and understandable without any doc. No one wants > to read doc - especially just to figure out a user interface. The normal procedure to develop a GUI would be to ask users what aspect of the GUI they do not for some reason like. (Of course the educated guess of the developers are very, very good to have.) I guess a problem here is that many users do not use the custom GUI. Therefore I believe every piece of information we get about how different persons react to this interface is important. I think we should notice that GUIs are used "by intuition". I guess that is what you are trying to point out. BTW I use to hate it when I had to read the docs to find out how to pass the glitches in the user interface. I soon use to realize that it is normally not very much more work needed to get the GUI useable when you have the basic structure. You mostly have to observe what is happening. But sometimes that is just difficult when you doing things "by intuition". - Lennaret