From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Getting more info on a variable in Customize buffers Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:29:18 +0100 Message-ID: <003a01c50264$2ee7de60$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> References: <003e01c4f371$34df4d00$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1106606719 4704 80.91.229.6 (24 Jan 2005 22:45:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: abraham@dina.kvl.dk, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 24 23:45:13 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CtCxM-0004Yp-00 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:45:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtD9a-0004AE-VF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:57:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CtD7U-0003P7-5x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:55:40 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CtD7L-0003Ku-BH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:55:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtD7L-0003GJ-A4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:55:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [81.228.10.108] (helo=av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CtCin-0001pK-NX; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:30:09 -0500 Original-Received: by av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 09A2437E61; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:30:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.183]) by av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA64E37E57; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:30:07 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from sedrcw11488 (t1o58p87.telia.com [62.20.164.87]) by smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DB3437E42; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:30:06 +0100 (CET) Original-To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32537 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32537 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Stallman" > One very useful way to get good info is to watch a beginner use custom > and say "please report anything you don't like AND anything that isn't > obvious how to use". If a few people could do this with their > friends, over the coming weeks, that could potentially show us how to > make Custom more natural. We may need to wait till after the release > before actually making the changes, but we will do it sooner or later. In an answer to this I have instead partly rewritten the customize GUI. The rewrite is for Emacs 21.3.1 and is just a proposal (but a working one I hope) for how the GUI could look and work. I have uploaded this to EmacsWiki and you can find it on http://www.emacswiki.org/elisp/changelog.html The file name is cus-new-gui.el. There are no real feature changes, just GUI changes. I feel they are mostly just finishing work once begun on this GUI. The beginning of the file has some comments about what I have done.