From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Honoring traditional defaults - how to do it. [was: Transient MarkMode on bydefault] Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:26:57 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c88ec7$56ced210$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com><874pavg45t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp><004d01c88e01$0f93b8f0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <20080325213859.GB1641@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206484111 30357 80.91.229.12 (25 Mar 2008 22:28:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "'Stephen J. Turnbull'" , 'Richard Stallman' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Alan Mackenzie'" , "'paul r'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 25 23:29:01 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JeHdc-0004bO-0U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:29:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JeHd0-0001pH-NN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:28:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JeHcw-0001p0-N8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:28:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JeHcv-0001oo-Bl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:28:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JeHcv-0001ol-9W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:28:17 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JeHcr-0003oS-E8; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:28:13 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.110]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m2PMS6o1014749; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:28:07 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id m2O00AvE014656; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:28:06 -0600 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3625478341206484013; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:26:53 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.72.71) by bhmail.oracle.com (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:26:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20080325213859.GB1641@muc.de> Thread-Index: AciOvpG7/PAdtGc0RECkkRFfIaYPMwAB6FVQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93455 Archived-At: > I think all these things can be achieved with a simple alias: > > % alias emacs_easy='emacs --load /path/to/lisp/emacs-easy.el' > > . emacs-easy.el, besides setting up the "easy" defaults, > should display a startup screen with a message something like... _None_ of the things I mentioned can be achieved that way, AFAICT. The point was to provide one or more predefined sets of preference (e.g. option and face) settings, and let users easily pick such a set from a menu. The default Emacs behavior would be one such set. The choice would be persistent via custom-file/.emacs: the chosen set (name and value) would itself be the value of a user option. I don't see how any of that would be realized by an alias and a message that tells users they can customize Emacs.