From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: ideas for customize Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:57:29 -0800 Message-ID: <003101c96e07$6b4ee9d0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <20524da70901031549t392be529v2f5104547427554a@mail.gmail.com> <002b01c96dff$88e3fa60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <20524da70901031612x2b18c160oe9391f7060afe2a8@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1231030681 6256 80.91.229.12 (4 Jan 2009 00:58:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 00:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "'Samuel Wales'" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 04 01:59:10 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LJHKf-0007dP-7t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:59:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43547 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LJHJP-0004CZ-QN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:57:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LJHJ5-0004CB-8x for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:57:31 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LJHJ1-0004Bi-Ju for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:57:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45831 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LJHJ1-0004Bf-Dl for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:57:27 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com ([141.146.126.233]:30865) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LJHJ0-000747-LE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:57:26 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet13.oracle.com (acsinet13.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n040wodl018223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jan 2009 00:58:51 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt701.oracle.com (acsmt701.oracle.com [141.146.40.71]) by acsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n040vt3o026006; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 00:57:57 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.168.6) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 00:57:19 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20524da70901031612x2b18c160oe9391f7060afe2a8@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcluAUbhjSLNhfHiRLGRagWc1RKnvAAAOG7g X-Source-IP: acsmt701.oracle.com [141.146.40.71] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090208.49600971.003D:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:61047 Archived-At: > BTW, are you the icicles person? I keep being tantalized yet > intimidated by it. ;-) All you really need to get started is this 12-sentence `README for Non-Readers': http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Icicles_-_Nutshell_View#READMEforNonReaders Icicles is like Emacs: there is a lot there if you want to look for it, but you don't need to read the whole manual to start putting it to use. Icicles minibuffer interaction uses vanilla Emacs TAB completion as its default behavior. If you stick to what Emacs offers with TAB, you will notice little difference. If you don't happen to know about certain Icicles features, you don't need to worry about them. You can learn about them and try them out little by little - or not at all. > For what it's worth, what would convince me to try it again is if it > could be set to emulate ido (without that changing anything else). > Dunno if it's possible or if you're interested, but thought I would > let you know. No, Icicles and Ido have very different UI models and uses of the minibuffer. Don't expect either to reflect the interaction of the other. And, since each handles the minibuffer in its own way, they cannot be used together. (Iswitchb can, however, be used with Icicles, and its buffer-switching is somewhat like Ido's.) That said, some of the interaction and some of the features of Icicles and Ido are similar. And Icicles offers lots of customization possibilities, some of which might seem a little more like Ido behavior. > This would include emulating ido's use in org-mode for outline paths. I don't use Org mode or Ido, so I don't know what's involved here, but feel free to make a suggestion for Icicles wrt Org mode support. Either email me or post a suggestion here: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/IciclesDiscussion Thx - Drew