From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Rename `mini-' options Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:11:28 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c9d5cb$9fd36b00$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <26694.128.165.0.81.1242438439.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1242439900 13211 80.91.229.12 (16 May 2009 02:11:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 02:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Deniz Dogan' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 16 04:11:32 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M59N5-0001ZC-Vn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 04:11:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53599 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M59N5-0000tI-Do for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 22:11:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M59N0-0000se-5Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 22:11:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M59Mv-0000rI-C0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 22:11:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38360 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M59Mv-0000rF-6K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 22:11:21 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:29310) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M59Mu-0000DD-PA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 22:11:21 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4G2B4nd024228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 May 2009 02:11:05 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt002.oracle.com (abhmt002.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4G2BGuG020201; Sat, 16 May 2009 02:11:16 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/98.210.250.59) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:11:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <26694.128.165.0.81.1242438439.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> Thread-Index: AcnVyGTpHUX8MkdoQSSds3+WpaalKAAAQ1tw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: abhmt002.oracle.com [141.146.116.11] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4A0E20C2.00A8:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:110909 Archived-At: > >> This is the first time I encounter something called "mini-windows", > >> but it seems to me, after having read the documentation for the > >> variable, that the minibuffer is an instance of them? Are there any > >> other mini-windows or is this just very poorly documented? > > > > Just poorly named and poorly documented. What is meant is > > the (active) minibuffer window. > > > > There can be more than one minibuffer window, but only one > > is active at any time. > > The mini-window is the window that holds the minibuffer, Nice try ;-). But you're simply making that up. > but also the echo area. Try evaluating this with `eval-region': > (let (resize-mini-windows) > (message (make-string 100 100)) > (sit-for 1)) Yes, of course. The minibuffer and the echo area share the same screen real estate. But it's not a window - "window" means something specific in Emacs. Is there a need for some new name to identify that screen area? Maybe, maybe not. In any case, "mini-window" is not, today, such an identifier. There ain't no such definition. Try `M-x apropos mini-'. Search the Emacs manual for `mini-'. Search the Elisp manual. You will find only these poorly named variables. Search the manuals and doc strings for "mini window" - nada. If we want to discuss whether there should be a name for this common area, we can. If we finally decide that there should be, then we can discuss what that name should be. It certainly should not have "window" in it, as that is misleading. There is no window that corresponds to the echo area: its messages are not displayed in a window. Most importantly, to come back to the point: Users will not easily find these particular options - whether they look for `minibuffer' or `echo-area'.