From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: position on changing defaults? Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:34:42 -0800 Message-ID: <002f01c88235$c50c14c0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu><200803052230.m25MUORx001881@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu><200803070407.m27471TG016558@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfg4u7p.fsf@catnip.gol.com><200803090036.m290a4oW020277@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <8763vv654o.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205102204 20401 80.91.229.12 (9 Mar 2008 22:36:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:36:44 +0000 (UTC) To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 09 23:37:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JYU8b-0006Ii-5y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:37:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYU83-0003b0-01 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:36:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYU79-0003Fm-Mz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:35:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYU78-0003F8-Ax for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:35:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYU78-0003F2-5t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:35:30 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JYU78-0006Ja-05 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:35:30 -0400 Original-Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m29MZRSr023776 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:35:27 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m29IWnOO008173 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:35:26 -0600 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3605785331205102084; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:34:44 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.112.116) by bhmail.oracle.com (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:34:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AciCMz0YBhZw2vNqRKSiGOpUV9JAUAAAnpcw In-Reply-To: <8763vv654o.fsf@jurta.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91938 Archived-At: > When you type a URL in a browser, you get a pull-down list of matches. > In Emacs, an analogy to this is displaying the *Completions* buffer. > I'm sure Drew will say how Icicles is superior to this. No, I won't say it. ;-) Superior to what, BTW? Icicles just uses the *Completions* buffer, so it can't be superior to displaying the *Completions* buffer. Sorry, I don't understand. IMO, Emacs (and so Icicles) completion is superior to picking something from a pull-down list. And in Emacs (and Icicles) you can anyway use the mouse to make your choice if you want - just like using a pull-down list. Some pull-down lists also let you use completion, BTW. In my mail client, for example, hitting C-k completes an address, or you can pick from a pull-down list of matches. A pull-down list with completion is pretty much the same as using *Completions* in Emacs (and Icicles). > Yes, it is powerful, but like suggested packages radically > changes the default behavior that most Emacs users are accustomed to. Sorry, I can't follow. What is powerful? What suggested packages?... What's the point/question?