From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Is there any elisp functions to tell whether the cursor is in a comment block? Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:02:22 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c8e640$59a12e90$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <87tzetis7w.fsf@DEBLAP1.BeNet> <71bcf427-442c-45b8-95d6-5f8289c85297@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <87iqv8sdyi.fsf@DEBLAP1.BeNet> <87mykk1b1r.fsf@DEBLAP1.BeNet> <487BDF2F.8010202@gmail.com> <000b01c8e60b$795bd7b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <487BE61D.1090909@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216101836 5753 80.91.229.12 (15 Jul 2008 06:03:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "'Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)'" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 15 08:04:44 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KIdeN-0002f1-IC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:04:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47075 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIddV-0006UL-3E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:03:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIddC-0006U2-Ll for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:03:22 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIdd9-0006Tp-JF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:03:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51885 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIdd9-0006Tm-DK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:03:19 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]:48789) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIdd8-0005QZ-Sq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:03:19 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.110]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m6F63F5u017523; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:03:15 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id m6F4Xwxj019303; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:03:14 -0600 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3708861571216101743; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:02:23 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/67.174.192.82) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:02:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <487BE61D.1090909@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjmDHZftRY3X+x9QZ6diysjUSlgiQAK02hA X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55590 Archived-At: > >> Emacs 23 is not too far from a release and in most respect stable. > > > > Sorry, but I, for one, cannot agree with that part. > > Emacs 22 is stable; Emacs 23 is not at all, AFAICT. > > I guess you might be right, Drew, you use Emacs in a > different way than I do, but which parts do users who > want to try CVS Emacs 23 now have to worry about? I didn't mean to start a discussion about this. I meant only to dampen some expectations you might have set - I don't think of Emacs 23 as close to release or particularly stable. I don't know all the areas where there might be problems or instability. Reading emacs-devel or looking at the pretest bug list would give a better idea of the status than I could give. When I try to use Emacs 23 (on Windows), frame parameters are still completely messed up (gratuitous and multiple incorrect parameter values added somehow etc. - bug #117). The completion code (minibuffer.el) has been changing and is apparently still changing. I've had to adjust the Icicles code several times for that. Stefan was supposedly going to add the general `completion-read-function' variable we asked for months ago, as soon as he finished moving `completing-read' to minibuffer.el (emacs-devel thread "completing-read-function variable for completing-read"). That variable is still not added, so I guess that evolution/migration is not finished. The font stuff has been volatile for some time now, judging from the traffic on emacs-devel. I have no direct experience with that, personally. Maybe that's all over now - dunno. However, I see some problems now in the treatment of certain characters/keys (e.g. 67108911, 67108923) during Icicles key completion. I haven't followed it, but there is also apparently a change afoot now to eliminate frame parameters that are also attributes of face `default' (?). It's not clear to me just what that change might entail; I'm not sure it's been specified. Emacs 23 is quite slow, on Windows at least. I imagine that there will be a period of optimization before Emacs 23 is near releasable. Don't get me wrong: I wouldn't discourage anyone from _trying_ Emacs 23. But I also wouldn't say it's "not too far from a release and in most respect stable". Maybe it's a question of seeing the glass half full or half empty. I would recommend Emacs 22.