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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Ted Zlatanov'" <tzz@lifelogs.com>, <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: bug#641: format-time-string %Z does not work, starting with Emacs 22.2
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:57:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <002601c8f96f$6c224350$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86ljz7eefb.fsf@lifelogs.com>

> We could at least provide this, and if the mapping fails we 
> could print a message that it's an unknown string, and the
> user can submit a bug. %Z could show the full Windows-provided
> name, which IMHO is better than nothing.

Yes, my point from the beginning is that the Windows name can be better than
nothing, depending on your needs.

It depends on what you want/need in any given context. I agree with Eli that we
also need to let users specify, when they need it, a name guaranteed to be
Posix-compliant, which would be "" if no other Posix name is appropriate.

IOW, we should give users _both_ possibilities unambiguously: Posix-only and
possibly-non-Posix, better-than-nothing, YMMV, human-readable name.

We can do that by introducing a new format key, in addition to %Z. Either %Z or
the new key can be for the better-than-nothing, human-readable name. %Z for this
has the advantage of backward compatibility. %Z for the Posix-compliant name has
the advantage that "Z" is itself a Posix convention.

I'm OK with either approach. The important thing is to give users the option of
specifying either name format, depending on their needs.








  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-08 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-04 21:24 bug#641: format-time-string %Z does not work, starting with Emacs 22.2 martin rudalics
2008-08-04 22:07 ` Drew Adams
2008-08-05  6:28   ` martin rudalics
2008-08-05 18:34   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-05 23:54     ` Drew Adams
2008-08-06  3:22       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-06  5:40         ` Drew Adams
2008-08-06 18:53           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-06 19:48             ` Drew Adams
2008-08-06 20:34               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-08-06 23:05                 ` Drew Adams
2008-08-07  3:16                   ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]           ` <mailman.15951.1218049658.18990.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-08-06 19:53             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-08-06 21:20               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-06 21:35               ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]               ` <mailman.15962.1218059257.18990.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-08-07 13:20                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-08-07 18:20                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-07 18:51                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-07 18:59                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-07 20:14                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-07 20:29                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-07 20:36                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-07 20:58                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-08-07 21:04                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-07 21:13                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-08-07 21:31                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-08  7:10                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.16075.1218180793.18990.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-08-08 15:04                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-08-08 15:57                                           ` Drew Adams [this message]
2008-08-08 17:22                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-08 17:27                                               ` Drew Adams
2008-08-09  1:00                                                 ` OFFICE ZERO
2008-08-09 14:13                                                 ` OFFICE ZERO
2008-08-08 18:46                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-08-09  0:59                                               ` OFFICE ZERO
2008-08-08 18:47                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2008-08-09  1:01                                               ` OFFICE ZERO
2008-08-09 14:13                                               ` OFFICE ZERO
2008-08-09  1:01                                             ` OFFICE ZERO
2008-08-08 17:16                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-09 14:12                                             ` OFFICE ZERO
2008-08-08  7:21                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-07 21:47                                 ` Drew Adams
2008-08-07 21:20                         ` martin rudalics
2008-08-08  7:17                           ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-08-01 16:45 Drew Adams

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