From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Customize UI makeover? Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:50:35 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c8a947$99549ad0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> References: <001501c8a8b8$27ffe630$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1209397905 1516 80.91.229.12 (28 Apr 2008 15:51:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:51:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 28 17:52:21 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JqVeG-00033H-6w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:52:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44025 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JqVdZ-00035j-Mg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:51:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JqVdV-000357-UJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:51:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JqVdS-00033V-Bg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:51:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49947 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JqVdS-00033S-9c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:51:22 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JqVdN-0005Fo-CZ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:51:17 -0400 Original-Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m3SFpD5b027475; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:51:14 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m3S1TYVj029966; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:51:12 -0600 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3661118931209397835; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:50:35 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by bhmail.oracle.com (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:50:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcipQ25jvJB7CfguRmGs82sllC6qDgAA+e7w X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96074 Archived-At: > Customize is an atrocious UI, at least in terms of its appearance. > > I agree this could use improvement. But I hope we can avoid > having a discussion here about what that improvement should be, > because that would take up a lot of time and be inconclusive. > What we need is for a person to understands these matters > to write a change and present it. I agree. The suggestions I offered were just food for thought for someone who might be interested in trying. No need to start a big discussion here. Almost any attempt at improvement will likely be helpful.