From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:20:05 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c90a1d$02556510$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <48B7288E.3040503@gmail.com> <87y72f603p.fsf@comm.utoronto.ca> <001201c90a19$aaf5b7a0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <48B86486.4090605@gmail.com> <001e01c90a1b$c4b4ae60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <48B86667.7060907@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220044827 2519 80.91.229.12 (29 Aug 2008 21:20:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Gilaras Drakeson' To: "'Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 29 23:21:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KZBPE-0001Ro-RQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:21:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35427 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZBOG-0001Cq-7i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:20:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZBOB-0001Av-5N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:20:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZBOA-000199-65 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:20:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53748 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZBOA-00018y-1n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:20:14 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]:53643) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KZBO9-0002vc-Nk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:20:14 -0400 Original-Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m7TLK8Hx013097; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:20:08 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt700.oracle.com (acsmt700.oracle.com [141.146.40.70]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m7TLK70E011677; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:20:08 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/69.181.100.12) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:20:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <48B86667.7060907@gmail.com> Thread-Index: AckKHBaFZO7haMX6QTaXi373KQQIEgAACFNA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103214 Archived-At: > >> I wonder if reversing like that is a good idea. Negation is > >> sometimes a very confusing operation for our brains. If you > >> have seen people struggling with logic expressions which they > >> try to match what they want you have probably seen how confused > >> they can be. (And I believe negation > >> is even more confusing when we are stressed.) > > > > We're talking about setting a preference, here. This is > > pretty much a one-time operation: You either want `delete' > > to send to the recycle bin or you want it to delete. Whichever > > you choose, `S-delete' does the other. Nothing complicated > > about this. No one will need to struggle with any logic > > expressions. ;-) > > Didn't you say that you were using different systems? ;-) Sorry, I have no idea what you mean. > And since `dired-internal-do-deletions' just says "Delete ..." I think > it can be hard ... I don't know whether any doc or prompts would need to be modified. I doubt it (except for some doc describing `delete-by-moving-to-trash'). It is not uncommon on Windows to have prompts refer to "delete" and "deletion" even though the actual behavior is to send a file to the Recycle Bin. All this is about is letting users define what "delete" means. There are two kinds of deletion in this model: (1) send to Recycle Bin, (2) delete permanently. The option `delete-by-moving-to-trash' binds one key to #1 and the other key to #2. Both kinds of deletion are always available by key.