From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: delete-selection-mode Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:44:46 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c8a351$48038d90$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <004a01c8a1a0$7215cdd0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <878wz9btq8.fsf@jurta.org> <85fxthy4qp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87hcdxz9zr.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <20080420193750.GA3523@muc.de> <85hcdwuxz1.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BB520.8010201@gnu.org> <480BB981.9030607@gmail.com> <001301c8a344$16b407e0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <480BDFA3.6000102@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208742313 26568 80.91.229.12 (21 Apr 2008 01:45:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, "'Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)'" , emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Juri Linkov' , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 'Alan Mackenzie' To: "'Jason Rumney'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 21 03:45:47 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jnl6H-0004gu-Iu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:45:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jnl5c-0008Tg-D5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:45:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jnl5Y-0008Sr-P4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:45:00 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jnl5X-0008Qx-Bi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:45:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jnl5W-0008Qf-RE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:44:58 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jnl5K-0004kq-VF; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:44:47 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (rgmgw2.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.111]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m3L1ihh0029709; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:44:43 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt350.oracle.com (acsmt350.oracle.com [141.146.40.150]) by rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id m3KMKYF9025184; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:44:42 -0600 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3655441801208742265; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:44:25 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.120.206) by bhmail.oracle.com (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:44:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <480BDFA3.6000102@gnu.org> Thread-Index: AcijRucUMRWua0hLRoWPqMqOtYMgJQACVgug X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95585 Archived-At: > Calm down! I've made no suggestion to change delete-selection-mode > itself. I am merely offering a suggestion for the > circumstances in which it might be acceptable, and even desirable > to turn it on by default. I see. I thought you were suggesting to change it. You said it "should be enabled only when the region was marked using shift movement keys". That is what I objected to. I have no objection to adding an _option_ for such a restriction in how it is enabled. And I don't care about the default value of the option. Just so long as Emacs users can easily get today's behavior. > > Delete selection mode is not CUA selection or shift selection. > > It is not exactly what newbies are > > used to, and it shouldn't be made so. Let it be. > > I don't understand what this difference you are hinting at. The Emacs region. You can define the region in many ways. You can use the region in many ways. Some commands change their behavior based on an active region. > What is it that you fear will be added to or subtracted from > delete-selection-mode to make it exactly what is needed here? The region, in its generality.