icicle and emacs --daemon

icicle and emacs --daemon

[Thierry Volpiatto]

Hi!
when using the new emacs --daemon, icicle complain that we are not in a
window-system.So i modify the starting message of icicles.el like that:

,----
| (unless (or (and
|              (fboundp 'daemonp)
|              (daemonp))
|             window-system)
|   (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*WARNING*"
|     (princ "You probably do NOT want to use Icicles without a windowing ")
|     (princ "system (manager).\n\n")
|     (princ "Consider using `emacsclient' (or `gnuclient').  ")
|     (princ "Icicles makes use of many\n")
|     (princ "keys that are unavailable when running Emacs in console mode.  ")
|     (princ "If you do\n")
|     (princ "use Icicles in this mode, you will want to rebind those keys - ")
|     (princ "see file\n`icicles-mode.el'.\n"))
|   (message "*WARNING* - Icicles uses keys that require a windowing system")
|   (sit-for 5))
`----

It work fine here.
-- 
A + Thierry Volpiatto
Location: Saint-Cyr-Sur-Mer - France

RE: icicle and emacs --daemon

[Drew Adams]

> when using the new emacs --daemon, icicle complain that we 
> are not in a window-system.So i modify the starting
> message of icicles.el like that:
> 
> (unless (or (and (fboundp 'daemonp) (daemonp))
... 
> It work fine here.

Thanks, Thierry. I've added that.

BTW, it seems that some people do use Icicles with a console (i.e. without a
window mgr). I would be interested in knowing how you do so - which key changes
you have made etc., in order to either provide for that as an option or at least
document some of your suggestions for other users. Thx.

RE: icicle and emacs --daemon

[Drew Adams]

Hi Thierry,

Dunno if you still use Icicles, but here is an update on this.

It turns out that the behavior of "text terminal" (that is, emacs -nw) is
variable, and depends mostly on the platform. The good news is that nowadays
most platforms do support "fancy" keys in a text terminal.

This means that, depending on your platform, Icicles, like Emacs, does in fact
work with emacs -nw - I was mistaken in thinking that it does not.

I did some testing on MS Windows - all of the "fancy" keys work fine there.

I also tried using "emacs -nw" (with Emacs 21) from a terminal in a Gnome
desktop on a Linux box, using VNC from Windows. There, because of VNC and Gnome,
some "fancy" keys (e.g. `C-next') are not available to Emacs, but others (e.g.
`S-TAB') are. I didn't try without Gnome, and I can't try on Linux without using
VNC, but I suspect, from speaking with others, that there is no problem
generally on Linux either - many, perhaps all, of the "fancy" keys should be
available.

I also checked to make sure that it's OK to use library hexrgb.el even in a
context where few colors are available. No problem. The Linux/VNC context, for
example, has only 6 or 8 colors available.

The bottom line is that I was mistaken in thinking that Icicles would not work
well without a graphics display. I've updated the Icicles libraries accordingly
(cleaned up the doc and code a bit).

HTH - Drew

> From: Drew Adams Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:43 AM
> > when using the new emacs --daemon, icicle complain that we 
> > are not in a window-system.So i modify the starting
> > message of icicles.el like that:
> > 
> > (unless (or (and (fboundp 'daemonp) (daemonp))
> ... 
> > It work fine here.
> 
> Thanks, Thierry. I've added that.
> 
> BTW, it seems that some people do use Icicles with a console 
> (i.e. without a
> window mgr). I would be interested in knowing how you do so - 
> which key changes
> you have made etc., in order to either provide for that as an 
> option or at least
> document some of your suggestions for other users. Thx.

RE: icicle and emacs --daemon

[Drew Adams]

Sorry; didn't mean to cc the mailing list for that message to Thierry.