From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)'" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
"'Jason Rumney'" <jasonr@gnu.org>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Juri Linkov' <juri@jurta.org>,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 'Alan Mackenzie' <acm@muc.de>
Subject: RE: delete-selection-mode
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:10:20 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <001301c8a344$16b407e0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <480BB981.9030607@gmail.com>
> > I think delete-selection-mode (and maybe even transient-mark-mode)
> > should be enabled only when the region was marked using
> > shift movement keys.
>
> I think this is a good suggestion.
I am very much against this suggestion. Screw with mouse-activated-deletion mode
or CUA selection in that way, if you like, or make up something altogether new,
but please don't mess that way with delete-selection mode or
transient-mark-mode. They have nothing to do with shift-selection. They have
everything to do with the Emacs region.
I wasn't in favor of the recent shift-selection "enhancement" to Emacs, and I'm
not in favor of making delete-selection mode depend on using shift and
cursor-movement keys. Quelle horreur !
If you can't or don't want to improve delete-selection mode to make it useful to
people who now find it problematic while still letting others who appreciate its
behavior be able to continue to use it the same way as before, then please just
leave it alone.
This is what comes, I suppose, of the suggestion that it become the default
behavior. We end up with proposals to shoot out its kneecaps. Delete selection
mode is not CUA selection or shift selection. It is not exactly what newbies are
used to, and it shouldn't be made so. Let it be.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-21 0:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 279+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-18 22:06 FW: commands to select things of different kinds Drew Adams
2008-04-19 3:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-19 20:11 ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-19 20:22 ` David Kastrup
2008-04-19 20:33 ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Juri Linkov
2008-04-20 13:47 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-19 23:18 ` FW: commands to select things of different kinds Richard Stallman
2008-04-19 23:43 ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Juri Linkov
2008-04-20 10:10 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-04-20 14:57 ` delete-selection-mode Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-21 3:08 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21 3:59 ` delete-selection-mode Thomas Lord
2008-04-21 19:47 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21 20:57 ` delete-selection-mode Alan Mackenzie
2008-04-21 21:40 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 18:34 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2008-04-20 19:25 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-20 19:31 ` delete-selection-mode Dan Nicolaescu
2008-04-20 19:48 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 20:28 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 20:32 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 20:53 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 21:20 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 21:42 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 5:37 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 6:18 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 6:24 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 6:40 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 9:36 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 16:44 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:47 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 18:12 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:53 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21 20:02 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 20:28 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 6:44 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21 14:19 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 16:41 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:01 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 17:45 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:58 ` delete-selection-mode Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-04-21 18:36 ` delete-selection-mode Paul R
2008-04-21 18:51 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:04 ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 19:48 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 20:06 ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 20:09 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 20:10 ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 19:54 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 19:56 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21 20:07 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22 4:20 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-22 5:34 ` delete-selection-mode Thomas Lord
2008-04-22 8:10 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-22 8:38 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22 20:08 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-22 20:08 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21 20:03 ` delete-selection-mode Paul R
2008-04-21 20:39 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:51 ` delete-selection-mode Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-04-21 20:06 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 19:10 ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-21 19:47 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-22 12:20 ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-22 12:34 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22 15:54 ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-22 13:29 ` delete-selection-mode David Reitter
2008-04-21 19:47 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-20 21:06 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-20 21:27 ` delete-selection-mode Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-20 22:28 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-20 19:32 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 19:37 ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Alan Mackenzie
2008-04-20 19:29 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 21:26 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-20 21:45 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 0:10 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2008-04-21 0:23 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 1:44 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21 0:28 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21 1:44 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21 3:07 ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Richard Stallman
2008-04-19 20:35 ` FW: commands to select things of different kinds Drew Adams
2008-04-19 22:54 ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-19 23:22 ` Drew Adams
2008-04-20 23:52 ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-21 0:13 ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 1:03 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] <E1Nq9QM-0005sN-MO@internal.in.savannah.gnu.org>
2010-03-12 22:58 ` [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX James Cloos
2010-03-12 23:23 ` Chong Yidong
[not found] ` <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu>
2010-03-13 1:14 ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-17 0:54 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 4:51 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default onUNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-17 21:32 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 22:08 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 1:38 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 5:21 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-18 21:06 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 21:06 ` delete-selection-mode Johan Bockgård
2010-03-18 21:23 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 10:12 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 13:28 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-17 13:56 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 18:07 ` delete-selection-mode joakim
2010-03-17 14:35 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-17 19:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-17 19:38 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 19:53 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-17 20:24 ` delete-selection-mode Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-17 20:36 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 21:09 ` delete-selection-mode Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-17 21:25 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-17 21:37 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-17 21:55 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 22:24 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 7:53 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 2:48 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-17 21:43 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 7:56 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:27 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 17:15 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 20:54 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-21 8:21 ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-21 9:01 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-21 15:33 ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-21 15:43 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30 0:55 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 0:33 ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-18 0:42 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 1:48 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 2:57 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-18 16:37 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 16:41 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-18 18:02 ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-19 15:56 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 16:42 ` delete-selection-mode Chad Brown
2010-03-20 2:24 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 2:36 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 5:42 ` delete-selection-mode Uwe Siart
2010-03-20 16:49 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 16:53 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 17:15 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-21 22:27 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-22 1:04 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22 1:16 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-22 6:48 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-22 1:21 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-22 2:04 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22 15:25 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-22 15:29 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 0:21 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 4:58 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-23 7:48 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23 9:02 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-23 16:13 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-23 16:40 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23 17:13 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-23 17:23 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 18:09 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24 9:29 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-24 13:34 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25 7:07 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-25 17:44 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26 7:02 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-26 20:13 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26 5:04 ` delete-selection-mode Kevin Rodgers
2010-03-26 5:11 ` delete-selection-mode Daniel Colascione
2010-03-26 7:03 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-26 7:37 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23 21:52 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-23 22:07 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-24 0:47 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25 17:57 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-26 2:48 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26 17:29 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-26 20:20 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 3:51 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-26 6:03 ` delete-selection-mode joakim
2010-03-26 12:51 ` delete-selection-mode Teemu Likonen
2010-03-23 17:18 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 17:18 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 17:33 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-22 6:44 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-22 7:41 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22 13:51 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-22 7:48 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24 14:37 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-24 15:15 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24 20:27 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-25 2:55 ` delete-selection-mode David Reitter
2010-03-20 18:28 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-21 22:27 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 15:56 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 17:21 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-19 19:01 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-23 3:01 ` delete-selection-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-23 15:20 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 17:35 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 15:56 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 18:52 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 22:28 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-19 23:59 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 2:24 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 3:40 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 16:49 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 17:36 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 2:02 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-19 2:46 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 6:35 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 7:43 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 2:23 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 3:53 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-20 4:33 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-20 11:31 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 16:50 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 16:51 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 17:37 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-21 1:15 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-21 2:59 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 21:58 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-21 1:17 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-21 4:56 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-21 11:36 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 16:50 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 17:32 ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-21 22:27 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 3:39 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-19 3:50 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 17:06 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 8:18 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 21:33 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 3:15 ` delete-selection-mode Kevin Rodgers
2010-03-18 4:40 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-18 8:21 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 16:14 ` delete-selection-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-18 10:12 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18 10:30 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:52 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 15:06 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:15 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 18:27 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 18:39 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-18 18:54 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 1:28 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-19 6:33 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 7:43 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 21:55 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 1:23 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-19 2:33 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 6:31 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 7:43 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 21:57 ` delete-selection-mode Johan Bockgård
2010-03-18 14:15 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-18 14:34 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 15:35 ` delete-selection-mode Berndl, Klaus
2010-03-18 15:57 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:16 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 20:51 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 21:25 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-18 21:45 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 0:35 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-19 6:28 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:49 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 15:02 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:15 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaulton UNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-18 18:35 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 19:22 ` delete-selection-mode Chad Brown
2010-03-18 21:55 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 6:32 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 7:43 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 8:07 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 11:05 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 13:14 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 22:27 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-21 8:26 ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-17 16:18 ` delete-selection-mode Glenn Morris
2010-03-17 21:46 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-03-17 19:31 AW: delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 20:49 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-18 9:24 ` delete-selection-mode Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18 9:57 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 18:54 delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaulton UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18 21:54 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaultonUNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-19 9:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-19 10:30 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 11:09 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaultonUNIX.) Lennart Borgman
2010-03-19 13:26 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 13:47 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-19 19:05 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-04-29 4:42 delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-04-29 13:32 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-04-29 18:06 ` delete-selection-mode James Cloos
2010-04-29 18:27 ` delete-selection-mode Deniz Dogan
2010-04-29 19:47 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-04-29 20:37 ` delete-selection-mode Kim F. Storm
2010-04-30 5:54 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
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