Why can I not receive mail from this list

Why can I not receive mail from this list

[Herbert Euler]

Hello,

I can send mail to 'help-gnu-emacs', 'emacs-devel', and
'bugs-gnu-emacs' successfully, and I see my mails appear
in the lists by viewing http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/
etc.  But why can I not receive mail from the lists?  I can
receive mails from the lists written by others, of course.

Please, help me.  Thanks.

Regards,
Guanpeng Xu

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Re: Why can I not receive mail from this list

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "Herbert Euler" <herberteuler@hotmail.com>
> Bcc: 
> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:54:57 +0800
> 
> I can send mail to 'help-gnu-emacs', 'emacs-devel', and
> 'bugs-gnu-emacs' successfully, and I see my mails appear
> in the lists by viewing http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/
> etc.  But why can I not receive mail from the lists?  I can
> receive mails from the lists written by others, of course.

I looked into your subscription to emacs-devel, and I don't see any
reason why you shouldn't receive your messages back.  Your
subscription options are identical to those of others.  Perhaps your
local mail setup somehow blocks those messages, or removes them as
spam, I don't know.

Re: Why can I not receive mail from this list

[Herbert Euler]

>From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>To: "Herbert Euler" <herberteuler@hotmail.com>
>CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>Subject: Re: Why can I not receive mail from this list
>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:08:02 +0200
>
>I looked into your subscription to emacs-devel, and I don't see any
>reason why you shouldn't receive your messages back.  Your
>subscription options are identical to those of others.  Perhaps your
>local mail setup somehow blocks those messages, or removes them as
>spam, I don't know.

Sure, I sent this message a bit earlier.  I received the response to my
mail after *a whole day*.  This means what I saw in my inbox is the
topics discussed a period of time earlier.  I remembered that the
response is not so slow like that.  Is it because that the server is so
busy to send mails back?

Thanks.

Regards,
Guanpeng Xu

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Re: Why can I not receive mail from this list

[Stefan Monnier]

> I can send mail to 'help-gnu-emacs', 'emacs-devel', and
> 'bugs-gnu-emacs' successfully, and I see my mails appear
> in the lists by viewing http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/
> etc.  But why can I not receive mail from the lists?  I can
> receive mails from the lists written by others, of course.

The FSF mailer seems to regularly be mistakenly added to some blacklist
(spamcop IIRC).  This happened again a few days ago.
I wish they had a whitelist as well.


        Stefan "whose sysadmin insist on using this blacklist"

Re: Why can I not receive mail from this list

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:13:32 -0500
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> > I can send mail to 'help-gnu-emacs', 'emacs-devel', and
> > 'bugs-gnu-emacs' successfully, and I see my mails appear
> > in the lists by viewing http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/
> > etc.  But why can I not receive mail from the lists?  I can
> > receive mails from the lists written by others, of course.
> 
> The FSF mailer seems to regularly be mistakenly added to some blacklist
> (spamcop IIRC).  This happened again a few days ago.

This can explain why your or the OP's mailer rejects or delays the
messages from gnu.org's mailman, but it cannot explain why the delays
happen for everyone, can it?

I think, if the problem is slowness, then I'd rather suspect the
trouble mailman has lately, due to some (unknown to me) hardware
problems on the machine that hosts it.  I spotted several occasions
during the last couple of months where mailman was down for several
hours.  When I asked sysadmins, I was told that the problem is known
and will be solved some time soon.

Re: Why can I not receive mail from this list

[Kevin Gallagher]

From: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>:
> The FSF mailer seems to regularly be mistakenly added to some blacklist
> (spamcop IIRC).  This happened again a few days ago.
> I wish they had a whitelist as well.

I'm sure this is happening because some criminals regularly use mailing 
lists to send out fraudulent mail and the FSF lists are no exception.  Since 
signing on to several Emacs mailing lists, I periodically receive fraudulent 
notices about various problems with accounts I supposedly have with Ebay, 
PayPal, and quite a few banks.  Each claims that there is a problem with my 
account and I should click on a link to deal with it.  The bogus links in 
these messages typically redirect the unsuspecting person to a web page 
where the criminals try to steal personal information, account numbers, and 
passwords.

It's not a daily occurrence, but it happens often enough to be a real 
problem for unmoderated mailing lists and unsuspecting readers of those 
lists, nevertheless. Each time I have received one of these suspect mail 
messages, I always examine the full mail header.  Since signing up for the 
Emacs mailing lists, every one of these fraudulent notices sent to me has 
come by way of one of the Emacs mailing lists.

All it takes is for one unsuspecting person to get burned and to report it. 
Then, seeing that a number of these are being sent through FSF lists, the 
site admin takes an easy path and blocks all mail from those lists and 
reports his findings to one or more of the blacklist sites.  To prevent this 
from happening in the future, the administrator of the FSF lists may have no 
alternative but to take some defensive measures and put into place a filter 
that blocks the distribution of known fraudulent messages.

Re: Why can I not receive mail from this list

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:05:02 -0600
> From: "Kevin Gallagher" <kevin.gal@verizon.net>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> It's not a daily occurrence, but it happens often enough to be a real 
> problem for unmoderated mailing lists and unsuspecting readers of those 
> lists, nevertheless. Each time I have received one of these suspect mail 
> messages, I always examine the full mail header.  Since signing up for the 
> Emacs mailing lists, every one of these fraudulent notices sent to me has 
> come by way of one of the Emacs mailing lists.
> 
> All it takes is for one unsuspecting person to get burned and to report it. 
> Then, seeing that a number of these are being sent through FSF lists, the 
> site admin takes an easy path and blocks all mail from those lists and 
> reports his findings to one or more of the blacklist sites.  To prevent this 
> from happening in the future, the administrator of the FSF lists may have no 
> alternative but to take some defensive measures and put into place a filter 
> that blocks the distribution of known fraudulent messages.

You may not be aware of that, but the administrator of _this_ list
(your truly) did take some measures.  In particular, this list is now
moderated, but that should be almost invisible to the subscribers (if
it isn't, please tell me).