From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Image DLLs for the Windows binary of Emacs 22.2 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:28:50 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c86c1b$2a88e2f0$2958908d@us.oracle.com> References: <873asf5404.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <47A11D80.4050507@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1202671738 550 80.91.229.12 (10 Feb 2008 19:28:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:28:58 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Ralf Angeli'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 10 20:29:20 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JOHrX-0007FZ-9N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:29:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JOHr4-000575-0P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:28:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JOHqz-00056d-Uv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:28:41 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JOHqx-00055j-C5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:28:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JOHqx-00055f-7k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:28:39 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JOHqw-0004ej-VC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:28:39 -0500 Original-Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.110]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m1AJSYYg001946; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:28:34 -0700 Original-Received: from acsmt350.oracle.com (acsmt350.oracle.com [141.146.40.150]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id m1AIPE0B024173; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:28:34 -0700 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3568618031202671706; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:28:26 -0800 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.88.41) by bhmail.oracle.com (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:28:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AchsFzbUrCj0zZZMQ26HLeAPkGfWGAAAF8MA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:88651 Archived-At: > > Any comments or a decision about the other image DLLs? > > I'd also like to see them included. Emacs on Windows > currently is like a building kit and users don't particularly > like this. Following the AUCTeX release today we already had > a user who rather wants to keep his old installation instead > of getting the official Emacs 22 package because putting > everything together was too time consuming for him. FWIW, I second everything Ralf said. FWIW2 - On MS Windows, users are used to just downloading and clicking a couple times to install an app. Lennart's EmacsW32 provides that - great. But AFAIK, users need to fiddle a bit to not include Lennart's enhancements. That's my case - I want vanilla Emacs, but a complete vanilla Emacs - with images, for instance. And I don't want an installer to just put Emacs where it wants, or reassign `emacsclient' to the Emacs version that it installs, or anything like that. [Apologies if my memory of what the EmacsW32 does is inaccurate - it's been a while since I tried it.] I would like for Windows users to be able to just download Emacs, put it where they like, and be good to go, without missing basic things such as images. Whether there is an installer (like Lennart provides) or not is not so important, IMO, unless that is also required for some reason to be able to have a complete working Emacs (images etc.). As far as I am concerned (just one user), I don't mind moving files (e.g. executables) around and setting config (e.g. path) variables, if that's needed to have images. But users shouldn't have to do the equivalent of `make' or have any particular tools (e.g. cygwin) installed, just to be able to have a workable Emacs with images. If Emacs needs particular dlls to provide images, then they should be part of the Emacs installation. If we do have an installer someday as part of the Emacs distribution, then its default behavior should be to *not* install any special enhancements. Any enhancements we think might be appropriate for use on Windows should be available as Emacs options. (That includes automatic use of `emacslient'.) I don't particularly want to start a discussion on this. I really just wanted to express my feelings about lack of images out of the box for Emacs on Windows.