From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Rename `mini-' options Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 01:24:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c9d5ff$c53ebe10$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <26694.128.165.0.81.1242438439.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov><002f01c9d5cb$9fd36b00$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><003001c9d5ce$a044ea20$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><873ab5fsyu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87r5yp7c74.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1242462289 18187 80.91.229.12 (16 May 2009 08:24:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:24:49 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Miles Bader'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 16 10:24:42 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M5FCD-0008Ij-Vg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:24:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34538 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M5FCD-00086l-Gi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 04:24:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M5FC9-00086F-V0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 04:24:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M5FC5-00082T-5b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 04:24:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34861 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M5FC4-00082Q-Sw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 04:24:32 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet11.oracle.com ([148.87.113.123]:40846 helo=rgminet11.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M5FC2-0001fA-5t; Sat, 16 May 2009 04:24:30 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rgminet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4G8OrMN024410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 May 2009 08:24:55 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt003.oracle.com (abhmt003.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4G8OwOv010987; Sat, 16 May 2009 08:24:59 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/98.210.250.59) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 16 May 2009 01:24:24 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnV9ec8z8tdrWBQQRytyNM1gnqdjwAAlRSg In-Reply-To: <87r5yp7c74.fsf@catnip.gol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: abhmt003.oracle.com [141.146.116.12] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A09020B.4A0E7839.011F:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:110919 Archived-At: > For better or worse, Emacs traditionally distinguishes "the > minibuffer" from "the echo area", and resize-mini-windows > applies to both. So a name which captures this subtlety > is arguably better than one which lies > a bit for the sake of convenient document searching. And the name `resize-mini-windows' captures this subtlety just how? Is it because it cleverly doesn't mention _either_ the minibuffer or the echo area? That's supposed to help somehow? You heard it from user Deniz: "Unless I had read your post I never would have guessed `resize-mini-windows' deals with the minibuffer at all." Case closed. (Or it should be.) Never would have guessed at all! Even with the name looking us in the face - let alone the problem of finding that name in the first place. As I said, use something like `minibuffer-echo-area-resize', if you're concerned about "capturing the subtlety" that this option applies to both. I have no problem with that. There's no need to "lie a bit". Finding options and functions by name is important, and that is not just about searching the doc. This is why `apropos' works as well as it does - conventional naming. > The variable in question _is_ existing practice -- it was introduced > almost a decade ago, in Emacs 21. There are lots of things introduced a while ago that could still merit improvement. The more important point is that this is an _exception_ to the rest of the "existing practice". No where else does `mini-' occur. And it remains unexplained, undocumented. This is just a bug, no matter how long ago it was introduced. And in the grand scheme of Emacs terminology, Emacs 21 is a relative newcomer. The terminology of `minibuffer' and `echo area' have been with us since Day 1. I apologize for not catching this bug sooner. (I don't use such resizing, myself - I use a standalone minibuffer frame, with my own resizing code for that.)