From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: trying out icicles Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:26:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c9020f$eaeceb10$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219160595 18440 80.91.229.12 (19 Aug 2008 15:43:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:43:15 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Rustom Mody'" , Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 19 17:44:08 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KVTNN-0003eH-UD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:44:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41325 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KVTMQ-0004Do-Hk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:43:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KVTM9-0004Dg-O8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:42:49 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KVTM8-0004DK-NI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:42:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48878 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KVTM8-0004DH-IF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:42:48 -0400 Original-Received: from agminet01.oracle.com ([141.146.126.228]:61662) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KVTM8-0004Rv-N7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:42:48 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (rgmgw2.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.111]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id m7JFgeFe016785; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:42:41 -0500 Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id m7JFgaVQ030226; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:42:36 -0600 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 11566475431219159536; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:25:36 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.102.127) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:25:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AckB75Eaxbm5zOmGRLSMRWhA7XAutwAHY7jg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:56778 Archived-At: > I started trying out icicles and I get: > (, TAB: list, C-?: help) > > What in the name of ??? is S-iso-lefttab ??? > [I am posting this after trying google and emacs-info] 1. Sounds like you have an old copy of Icicles. That text used to be added to the prompt for your first few Icicles sessions, as a reminder, but that has not been the case since March, 2008. 2. Would it make more sense if you saw `S-tab' instead of `S-iso-lefttab'? These are both possible names for the key combination Shift + Tab. Different keyboards send different logical keys (names) for the physical key combination Shift + Tab. 3. When multiple keys (e.g. `S-tab' and `S-iso-lefttab') are bound to the same command (e.g. `icicle-apropos-complete'), and a message prints the current binding for the command (so the message will always be correct, even if you rebind the command), only one of those multiple keys appears in the message, and which one appears is not under program control. This is too bad, but it is the way things are. The choices for the programmer are either hard-code a key name (e.g. `S-TAB') in the message or put up with Emacs's pseudo-arbitrary choice. Bottom line: Don't worry about this, but do download the latest version of Icicles: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/Icicles_-_Libraries