From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: videoxfer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs on OS X - configuration package Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:32:11 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <%i51c.103949$4o.121381@attbi_s52> References: <20040227213744639+0000@news.eircom.net> <4fO0c.17410$PR3.420908@attbi_s03> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1078288517 11310 80.91.224.253 (3 Mar 2004 04:35:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 04:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 03 05:35:02 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AyO61-0004Uu-00 for ; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 05:35:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AyO5h-0002Cj-Bw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2004 23:34:41 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn51feed!worldnet.att.net!attbi_s52.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (Darwin) Original-Lines: 43 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.41.137 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net Original-X-Trace: attbi_s52 1078255931 66.31.41.137 (Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:32:11 GMT) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:32:11 GMT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:121439 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:17396 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:17396 On 2004-03-02, Jussi Piitulainen wrote: > So if you type `C-h c opt-u' it both says something like "M-u runs the > command upcase-word" and waits for the next keypress? If you type 'C-h c opt-u' it does nothing, since it's waiting for the completion of the prefix character. As I said in the previous post, the handling of opt-u (say) as a prefix key appears to be taking place at lower level than an emacs key binding. Only Andrew knows for sure... If you type 'C-h c opt-u opt-u', it says "M-u runs the command upcase-word" and it's done. > I have a Carbon Emacs with opt as meta. Opt-u upcases a word. It does > not wait for anything. `Opt-u u' would upcase a word and insert u. I > did redefine several keys, with help from this newsgroup, but I don't > remember having to fight opt-u. I'm not fighting anything. I deliberately enabled this because I find it useful to be able to enter umlaut vowels (for instance) in this way, since my fingers are trained to do this automatically. I'm willing to type opt-u twice if I want M-u because I don't use it very often. > Then you may have option as meta and M-u as a prefix key. Afaik emacs knows nothing about prefix keys; that's a mac thing. I don't think the standard emacs key processor even _sees_ the initial opt-u. > You don't seem to get what you bargained for, if simply pressing opt-u > does not insert a character. Do you run any form of macos? Opt-u would never insert anything. It's a prefix character that adds umlaut to whatever you type next (if what you type next can take an umlaut). Exactly the same thing happens in carbon emacs, so I get exactly what I'm paying for.