From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: humans and technology Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 05:13:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87fugqhrh7.fsf@002215fd0050.amnet.co.cr> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1493608438 23966 195.159.176.226 (1 May 2017 03:13:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 03:13:58 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 01 05:13:52 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d51mV-0005yJ-M2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 May 2017 05:13:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46643 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d51mY-0002zc-4H for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 23:13:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57936) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d51lz-0002zL-GR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 23:13:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d51lw-0007ol-BF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 23:13:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=58238 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d51lw-0007oQ-52 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 23:13:12 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d51ln-0005C1-VH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2017 05:13:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 32 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:ew2pUBrttUZU3KmsCALTZND9XTM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:112912 Archived-At: ernobe wrote: > I have experienced the same perfect match as > you, but you need to upgrade to Emacs 24.5 > (like me) in order to understand that. The match isn't that perfect! If it were, I wouldn't have done ~100 files of configuration and extention to Emacs... But actually configurability and extensionness is a huge part of the (almost) perfect match. Still, if anyone had done the exact same thing when I came to Emacs, I like to think that I would have done something else, rather than nothing! This is what I mean. I came to Emacs because I liked it. I already had some instinctive Emacs in me. When Emacs opened the doors to do even more, it is already a blend of my instinctiveness and what is already there. You affect Emacs and it affects you. Do people really have this experience with Eclipse on Windows? Or is it more like using a ratchet screwdriver in a toolshop? Gets the job done, but one-dimensional? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573